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    You can't type motivation in this instance (psychopaths). So it all bleeds into stereotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    But it's the kind of screwy intuition that I've noticed a little in stressed ESPs. Or even myself - when I took LSD. sigh

    It's hard to explain.. There was actually a good description of inferior Ni on the Lenore Thomson/Greenlight Wiki, but the site seems to be down. It basically boiled down to hardcore egoism, and gleaning mystical meanings out of the smallest things. Like he did with the whole Helter Skelter interpretation. And unlike Ne, he's isn't exactly all over the place. He gets fixated - and as we know, wanted to carry it out in all it's brutality. He'd never stop and entertain another scenario.
    I don't think fixation has anything to do with functions though. I seem some interviews with him on youtube and he seems hellbent on the bigger picture of how humanity is destroying our planet, how our political system is corrupt etc so he feels an urge to make some sort of difference. Unfortunately that difference is purely negative and destructive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Yes, you can type how you think they are acting. The deal is, though, that it will generally be inconsistent, since it isn't based on a real personality type. They can learn to imitate many people, and many actions, quite easily compared to a normal person.
    There are antisocial types, which do determine some features:
    ovetous antisocial - variant of the pure pattern where individuals feel that life has not given them their due.
    reputation-defending antisocial - including narcissistic features
    risk-taking antisocial - including histrionic features
    nomadic antisocial - including schizoid, avoidant features
    malevolent antisocial - including sadistic, paranoid features.



    Go study. I lived with fucking two sociopaths for 14 years, I should know. I've studied it, and observed it. Yes, there is a nature/nurture debate, and I tend to think it is a combination of the two generally, just like borderline personality disorder, which I had. However, the deed is finished early. The most important time is from birth to two years old for them, and if development has not happened, it's looking grim. By six, it's generally a done-deal. That's one reason you see conduct disorders, and kids going to juvenile detention halls early-on. APD isn't claimed until adulthood generally when they can diagnose it, that doesn't mean it doesn't already exist within the individual. Hitler was not a sociopath, i don't think, but I tend to use real life examples and not movies I've watched, to determine the truth.

    My ex was extremely crafty and intelligent. The lack of ego and superego does not determine intelligence. It's a different animal. There are specifics that, just like normal human beings, seem unreasonable.
    "Hitler was in a movie and he is not a sociopath/psychopath". -Icup's logic this should be my new signature. I don't know how a lack of ego and superego has to do with being a psychopath if anything they are purely acting out on their ego. I still think you can develop these behaviors past 6 years old, most likely in the teenage years is when it really begins. you don't see many 6-10 year olds killing anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    "Hitler was in a movie and he is not a sociopath/psychopath". -Icup's logic this should be my new signature. I don't know how a lack of ego and superego has to do with being a psychopath if anything they are purely acting out on their ego. I still think you can develop these behaviors past 6 years old, most likely in the teenage years is when it really begins. you don't see many 6-10 year olds killing anybody.
    Now I remember why I had you on ignore. Go read a fucking book before you open your irritating, uneducated mouth.
    Amazing how retarded some of the istp guys are......
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Now I remember why I had you on ignore. Go read a fucking book before you open your irritating, uneducated mouth.
    Amazing how retarded some of the istp guys are......
    Win. LOL Icups logic - "someobody doesn't agree with me therefore I must insult them to get my way"

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    Have you seen this documentary @jixmixfix?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iENo3...t=HL1318527358

    I find it hard to type him.

    Mostly the vibe I get from him is that he'd been hardened by the hard times he's been through and learned to be whatever he needed to be to get what he wanted. But yeah I see the Ne...it's demented Ne though. Or maybe he was just paranoia like a caged wild animal which caused him to imagine things (Ni?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Win. LOL Icups logic - "someobody doesn't agree with me therefore I must insult them to get my way"
    I'm simply being honest concerning my thoughts lately. Why lie? Yes, you're annoying to me, because you assume you are right without using resources, enough to argue a point. For me, it's like arguing with a first-grader, when I am in 6th grade. Yes, apple is spelled a-p-p-l-e, I promise.

    If you insult other's logic, expect to receive the same in return. I don't see what that has to do with getting "my way". What way am I supposed to be getting here? What reward will I receive?

    Sorry. Now, I'm going back to ignoring you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    I'm simply being honest concerning my thoughts lately. Why lie? Yes, you're annoying to me, because you assume you are right without using resources, enough to argue a point. For me, it's like arguing with a first-grader, when I am in 6th grade. Yes, apple is spelled a-p-p-l-e, I promise.

    If you insult other's logic, expect to receive the same in return. I don't see what that has to do with getting "my way". What way am I supposed to be getting here? What reward will I receive?

    Sorry. Now, I'm going back to ignoring you.
    win-win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Have you seen this documentary @jixmixfix?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iENo3...t=HL1318527358

    I find it hard to type him.

    Mostly the vibe I get from him is that he'd been hardened by the hard times he'd been through and learned to be whatever he needed to be to get what he wanted. But yeah I see the Ne...it's demented Ne though. Or maybe he was just paranoia like a caged wild animal which causes him to imagine things (Ni?).
    I think he has demented Ne, although it is Ne nonetheless. His harsh upbringing is a good sign of nature shaping who he later became.

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    Okay, yeah, I'm seeing what jix means now with typing him as ENFP gone horribly wrong. I can totally see it now. Ne-Fi

    Nothing else makes sense.

    As a side note: if he were an ENTP instead, I wonder what that would have looked like.

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