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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I thought it was the fact that he got people to kill for him.
    yeah but he never killed anybody himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    yeah but he never killed anybody himself.
    Oh yes. Sorry I speed read your paragraph and missed a nuance...

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    Charles Manson is a psychopath. Psychopaths don't have true types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Charles Manson is a psychopath. Psychopaths don't have true types.
    yeah...no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    yeah...no.
    They don't. Psychopaths are not fully-developed. They don't have personalities that can be typed. Same with alot of personality disorders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    They don't. Psychopaths are not fully-developed. They don't have personalities that can be typed. Same with alot of personality disorders.
    How are they not fully developed? because they are incapable of remorse or sympathy? they still have intellectual capacity as much as anybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    How are they not fully developed? because they are incapable of remorse or sympathy? they still have intellectual capacity as much as anybody else.
    They have no ego or superego, only id. It's like they are brain-damaged, in a lot of ways. They don't develop personalities or enneagram-types. They are very simple beings, and extremely flexible in some ways, because they do lack a personality type. Their feelings and emotions are very shallow. They feel little fear at all, and they have no basic fear with which to build on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    They have no ego or superego, only id. It's like they are brain-damaged, in a lot of ways. They don't develop personalities or enneagram-types. They are very simple beings, and extremely flexible in some ways, because they do lack a personality type. Their feelings and emotions are very shallow. They feel little fear at all, and they have no basic fear with which to build on.
    First off some people aren't born being psychopaths, some people develop the trait from an abusive upbringing as in Chrales Manson case who was abandoned by his parents. So they need to be ruthless and unsympathetic to survive in their environment. I don't see the connection between a ruthless criminal and not having a personality, that's like saying you lost your right arm so you can't play soccer. Psychopaths still have a functional preference; psychopaths like Anthony Hopkins in in the silence of the lamb films are much more intuitive/thinking, while others are more feeling or impulsive. So yes they have a personality 100%. To say psychopaths only have "Id's" is also false that would put them at the intellectual level of animals. There have been many in the past including dictators like Adolf Hitler who carry out specific plans and strategies to eliminate people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    First off some people aren't born being psychopaths, some people develop the trait from an abusive upbringing as in Chrales Manson case who was abandoned by his parents. So they need to be ruthless and unsympathetic to survive in their environment. I don't see the connection between a ruthless criminal and not having a personality, that's like saying you lost your right arm so you can't play soccer. Psychopaths still have a functional preference; psychopaths like Anthony Hopkins in in the silence of the lamb films are much more intuitive/thinking, while others are more feeling or impulsive. So yes they have a personality 100%.
    Psychopaths are born that way, sociopaths are shaped by their environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsung View Post
    Psychopaths are born that way, sociopaths are shaped by their environment.
    It can go both ways. Nature/nurture so no.

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