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    i can't really separate the two...i wouldn't be sympathetic if i didn't care....and i care by empathizing...i think i feel how your feeling...or i project how i would feel in the same situation or i just take what i know of you and how you feel about things and imagine how i would feel if such things made me feel that way..i then might be loving and nurturing or protective or whatever...maybe thats sympathy...i don't know..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i can't really separate the two...i wouldn't be sympathetic if i didn't care....and i care by empathizing...i think i feel how your feeling...or i project how i would feel in the same situation or i just take what i know of you and how you feel about things and imagine how i would feel if such things made me feel that way..i then might be loving and nurturing or protective or whatever...maybe thats sympathy...i don't know..
    I know how unhealthy this is...but I often OVER-empathize with other individuals or groups of individuals to the point I get sick with heartbreak and sorrow. I'm working on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnights View Post
    I know how unhealthy this is...but I often OVER-empathize with other individuals or groups of individuals to the point I get sick with heartbreak and sorrow. I'm working on it.
    Oh whoops...I should say that I am not sympathizing from 'a far'...but I put myself right there...in their shoes. I participated in a really good thread on this same subject started by SilkRoad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    My understanding of the Fi/Fe attitudes is slightly different than what was described. Introverted feeling leans towards a sympathetic attitude (ENFP) and extraverted feeling leans towards an empathetic attitude (ENTP).

    Example: I understand how terrible you feel about your crummy boss [empathy], but I have no sympathy for you. Logically, you have the power to change your crap situation. That means you're probably not going to hear many coddling words from an ENTP (not seriously); like,
    "awwww, you poor thing, let it all out.. that jerk" [sympathy]. That's an Fi attitude.

    Here's a brief explanation on the difference between empathy and sympathy that I posted awhile back:
    There have been long Fi/Fe thread battles over this one... I really don't think Fi nor Fe has a monopoly on either empathy or sympathy. Usually the reverse is implied by people though...

    Personally, I am more inclined to empathize than sympathize. I easily imagine another's pain, even if I have never experienced it myself, but I'm less inclined to offer sympathetic words because I feel awkward. Often this simply becomes info I file away to refine my understanding of human nature & by extension my ideals.

    I'm not sure if Fi in the aux position is quite the same...it seems they are more open to having their feelings affected by others, due to being Ne-dom.
    And I'd think your experience of Fe in the tertiary is likely not to sound familiar to an FJ, who probably would more readily identify as empathetic and sympathetic.

    This definition of empathy is more pertinent to what I mean:
    the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
    It doesn't require the person to have first-hand experience. I've heard other Fi-dom say (and I can relate) that it feels as if you simulate a person in your head, and experience something close to as they would, so that you know their feeling vividly, but this also does NOT affect your own feelings (both rational & emotional).

    Jung also actually says that Fi is shut off from appropriate forms of sympathy, due to its intense & self-protective nature & requiring accurate/authentic modes of expression, and as such it often comes out in extravagant, unrelated forms unexpectedly or in secretive, private forms, like poetry, art or religious activity.


    From Jung's Psychological Types, under The Introverted Feeling Type:
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    ...their feelings are intensive rather than extensive. They develop in depth. While an extensive feeling of sympathy [Fe] can express itself in appropriate words and deeds, and thus quickly gets back to normal again, an intensive sympathy [Fi], being shut off from every means of expression, gains a passionate depth.....It may, perhaps, break out in some extravagant form, leading to some astounding act of an almost heroic character.... To the outside world, or to the blind eyes of the extravert, this intensive sympathy looks like coldness, because it usually does nothing visible, and an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    what's that got to do with it?
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    7w8s are more offensive and polarizing
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    There have been long Fi/Fe thread battles over this one... I really don't think Fi nor Fe has a monopoly on either empathy or sympathy. Usually the reverse is implied by people though...

    Personally, I am more inclined to empathize than sympathize. I easily imagine another's pain, even if I have never experienced it myself, but I'm less inclined to offer sympathetic words because I feel awkward. Often this simply becomes info I file away to refine my understanding of human nature & by extension my ideals.

    I'm not sure if Fi in the aux position is quite the same...it seems they are more open to having their feelings affected by others, due to being Ne-dom.
    And I'd think your experience of Fe in the tertiary is likely not to sound familiar to an FJ, who probably would more readily identify as empathetic and sympathetic.

    This definition of empathy is more pertinent to what I mean:
    the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
    It doesn't require the person to have first-hand experience. I've heard other Fi-dom say (and I can relate) that it feels as if you simulate a person in your head, and experience something close to as they would, so that you know their feeling vividly, but this also does NOT affect your own feelings (both rational & emotional).

    Jung also actually says that Fi is shut off from appropriate forms of sympathy, due to its intense & self-protective nature & requiring accurate/authentic modes of expression, and as such it often comes out in extravagant, unrelated forms unexpectedly or in secretive, private forms, like poetry, art or religious activity.


    From Jung's Psychological Types, under The Introverted Feeling Type:
    AWESOME post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    everyone likes 7w6s
    7w8s are more offensive and polarizing
    oh they do! yay! i didn't know this! haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    I disagree. I find that ENTP's can also also be extremely dynamic. I think this is more Ne - P in general. Anyone can have strong empathy (thought you see it with feelers) . It seems that either Ne dom with poorly developed aux function seems to shift and change dramatically. This is because they are anchoring them to only the external moment or stimuli without weighing it up with fi or ti. Explain why your attributing this to emapthy, cause I'm not following....

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    I'm not sure that there's more sides to an ENFP, it's just more obvious that we're acting differently because of our extreme expressiveness.
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    oooh good point...were just bouncier than most when were happy and i don't know about you guys but people cannot deal with seeing me sad at all either...apparently...the contrast is too much..or something....and then when we're pissed that's kinda...um..very expressive too. so yeah...just very expressive..good point.
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