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    When I was a kid I had a few different dream-jobs in mind. Time and experience verified those dreams. Some of them crushed and are now nice party stories. But one of them persisted and got stronger. It gave me a good, sound career - I love it and it's useful for others . I think for us INFPs it's good to keep our dreams but let them be cleaned by reality.

    As to what your friend says - I have a feeling that he's not that good with practicalities of life himself. If he was well endowed in that area, he wouldn't need anybody else to do it for him .
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    I forgot the serious reply!

    Ironing? Why?

    After 5-10 years, most men find that the "perfect wife" has become the "boring wife," which leads to Wife 2.0. Things are much easier for everyone if Wife 1.0 works out well.

    Pegasus riding is pretty exciting stuff. I know I don't really care too much about how practical someone is, just so that they can deal with reality on their own once in a while. There are way too many people who are over-practical anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    Douche.

    You can pay people to iron things, and breakfast out means no washing dishes and an endless variety of options. The ENTP-friend stance is full of fail.

    Marriage/relationships are not about what practical things the other person can do for you.

    Your friend is no true Scotsman, a true ENTP would recognise that fun trumps practical, what's more, if you are currently able to take care of yourself without requiring intervention in the form of a nurse clothing or feeding you then you can continue to do so in a relationship without being reliant on the other person taking over those tasks.

    ENTP-friend wants a wife who can double as a house-maid, no issues, there are women out there who would enjoy doing those things for their husband, but women who do not are not therefore bad marriage material, they're just not right for men who want a wife to play that role.

    My father, and an ex-housemate were INFP and neither would run a successful maids business, oh no they wouldn't, but they were fun and interesting which unlike the former are not things that you can buy.

    Douche. I don't mean that in a nasty way, but
    I agree with Kasper. This isn't Fiddler on the Roof; your value as a spouse is much more than whether you can cook/clean/fan your hubby with a palmtree leaf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    INFP's make great parents because they are so in touch with their children's feelings. Do you remember Mr. Roger's Neighborhood? He was an INFP, and charmed millions of children on TV. INFP's are so creative. You just need to find a job that will use your creativity and give you a nice ISTJ secretary to take care of the details.
    I loved Mr. Rogers! He was my most favorite to watch ever. I think I need to hire an INTJ to make the big bad business decisions for me, an INTP to help me create fun, and an ISTJ to do my accounting for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Cook, clean and iron clothes? Bah. A maid can do those things, but they can't provide spousal nurturing and deep bonding*. Think about that.



    Don't you know? If you can't turn your natural talents into a high-paying career, you are unworthy of love or compassion. Get on with the program, maggot!

    * Unless they are the love interest in a certain genre of anime. But then they'd be robots or aliens as well. Can't win 'em all...
    Hmm, I think you missed the sign at the entrance to this thread which said "Be nice to the INTPs who post here for they are brave and full of knowledge."

    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    I think you should re-phrase his statement and say you wouldn't be a stereotypical wife... Which is anything, but bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    Douche.

    You can pay people to iron things, and breakfast out means no washing dishes and an endless variety of options. The ENTP-friend stance is full of fail.

    Marriage/relationships are not about what practical things the other person can do for you.

    Your friend is no true Scotsman, a true ENTP would recognise that fun trumps practical, what's more, if you are currently able to take care of yourself without requiring intervention in the form of a nurse clothing or feeding you then you can continue to do so in a relationship without being reliant on the other person taking over those tasks.

    ENTP-friend wants a wife who can double as a house-maid, no issues, there are women out there who would enjoy doing those things for their husband, but women who do not are not therefore bad marriage material, they're just not right for men who want a wife to play that role.

    My father, and an ex-housemate were INFP and neither would run a successful maids business, oh no they wouldn't, but they were fun and interesting which unlike the former are not things that you can buy.

    Douche. I don't mean that in a nasty way, but
    I texted his wife today asking what he meant by the comment. Apparently he was trying to give me a compliment on that he thinks I am awesome, but then halfway through it wanted to give his ESTJ wife a compliment at the same time and pretty much botched the entire episode. We've suggested that he needs to just stick to physics.

    However, it did give me some food for thought on practicality! And it is nice to know others think similarly to me, in that I don't view a husband in terms of simple practicality. Ie, I am not looking for a golden goose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfa View Post
    Psychology can be practical and is something recommended for INFPs. And I'm studying that. Psychologists can work in human resources, and that can give plenty of money, if you get a good job. But we have to remember that it would be in a corporation (is that word right?), and I guess INFPs may not usually feel confortable in places like that. They can also work in clinics, and I'm not sure of the incomes, but I think they can be good...

    I don't think I could be a housewife without going crazy... I just don't like doing the house chores... Even haveing a job, I'd rather try hard to save some money to pay someone to do those things to me, or sharing the chores with someone, like my husband. My husband will have to share the chores with me. I just won't do everything alone - if I have to, I'd rather stay single... ><

    About unicorns, I like them. I like Charlie, the unicorn.
    Yeah, I do enjoy psychology as well! I think at some point I will want to be a counselor, but maybe the reason I have misgivings on it is that it isn't right for me right now. I just really like listening to people (well, those I care about at least! ) and helping them see a more cheerful perspective (if able) or give them a shoulder to cry on (if unable).

    I don't mind cleaning my house, but I am also cleaning my house for me. And I am alone when I do it and I can sing along to music and dance with my broom if I so choose....

    P.S. Your unicorn sounds nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    does snuggling count as a practical use?
    It could but is only acceptable with a select group of people.

    P.S. I think we need a new emoticon (@Jennifer) that is a Fi ninja.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nijntje View Post
    There is none.

    We cause pain and destruction wherever we go. Not intentionally. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    BURN THEM ALL.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    One friend once told me there are 2 types of people; the ones that work because they like their work and the ones that work in order to do what they like. Thing is, the best risk/reward route probably won't the the most fun route. Getting a liberal arts degree may be fun, but it is gonna be much riskier than an engineering degree.
    I opted for the best risk/reward route. I plan to do what I really like doing in the future but my main concern is getting settled. I think you would make a great writer. At the same time, the route is riskier.
    INFPs have a lot of potential. They just lack confidence sometimes.
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    But seriously... Yeah, I am not much for taking risks. That is definitely a spot where I need to grow in. I get stuck in a cautious loop trying to see every possibility and then plan for each one instead of just choosing something and seeing what happens.

    I can minimize the risks per se by incorporating writing into my current life and seeing if there is a point at where I am actually losing money by not quitting my day job.

    Immediately my mind has already begun culling new ideas for stories. I have two novel ideas that are cultivating in my mind (one since 2000, *cough*) but I think it would be a good plan for me to start fresh and get something started. I know that the best way to get into the novel arena is to write short stories, so I think I shall start there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
    Agreed.

    (actually I love INFPs but have thus far had nothing but terrible experiences with them in relationships, because they've been the only type I've had relationships with.)
    All* INFPs are awesome. But some are far more awesome than others.

    *Any non-awesome INFPs you encounter are not, in fact, actual INFPs. They are something else entirely.

    Also to you for your bad week.

    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    NEVILLE LONGBOTTOM!

    That is all.
    Meh. The NT inside of me always scoffed at him. However, I guess he does do some rather nifty stuff in the last book.

    I accept your answer.

    Edit: I use the word "actually" WAY TOO MUCH.

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    This thread is interesting.

    My BFF is an INFP and her strengths are completely opposite mine. She has innate skills in diplomacy and conflict-resolution that I am very sorely lacking. She's good at persuading people with her passion. That same passion leads her to throw her entire self into projects related to what she believes in. (We're both dedicated hard workers, just for different reasons.) While I'm not sure how to "market" them, these are useful skills/attributes.

    Hope this helps.
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    Avery Brown: Because it's boring and dishonest and uncomfortable, like wearing a pair of shoes all day that pinch your feet.

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    but your honesty and kindness will win over people and help the workplace become better for everybody
    QFT - not many people have these skills and they are invaluable in any (work) environment. I certainly would bring them up during an interview, not as a way to maket yourselves per se, but simply as an honest representation of who you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Hmm, I think you missed the sign at the entrance to this thread which said "Be nice to the INTPs who post here for they are brave and full of knowledge."
    Eek, sorry! I was jesting...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    There Are Only 10 Types of People in the World: Those Who Understand Binary, and Those Who Don't.


    I can minimize the risks per se by incorporating writing into my current life and seeing if there is a point at where I am actually losing money by not quitting my day job.
    That's a very nice idea! We have to minimize risks. I could have said ''Just do whatever you feel like doing'' but when you don't have a plan b things can go wrong quickly.

    Immediately my mind has already begun culling new ideas for stories. I have two novel ideas that are cultivating in my mind (one since 2000, *cough*) but I think it would be a good plan for me to start fresh and get something started. I know that the best way to get into the novel arena is to write short stories, so I think I shall start there.
    Whoa, since 2000? Must be intresting. Sounds like you have a good plan already.
    You remind Erica, from Being Erica. NFP, check, cool, check, decides to write by her 30s, check. How awesome is that! Except that she can go back in time and you can't.

    An interesting tv serie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    Everyone is so unique and different. I'm 40.

    Recently I've had much improvements. I did set up my final bills on autopay last week. Also, I restructured my duties at work. I gave other people duties I was doing that frustrated me, and took on duties other people were doing which frustrated me because they were failing. Now things are repaired, but can things be recovered? I'm not sure. I'm going to try. That is, the ship is still going towards the waterfall, but the methods of propulsion have been fixed. Oh man, I feel so much better.

    As for domestic tasks, I'm not real great. In fact being a domestic care-taker for retarded adults was the only job where I was fired.

    Yesterday my meals were 2 pounds of bacon cooked in the microwave, along with two stoffer's microwave spagetti dinners for lunch. Also, around one and half gallons of soy milk.

    Today I'm not sure. I'm not quite hungry enough yet to deploy the energy to put things in the microwave.

    I did check on the fish. Next I will feed the fish. Most of my JOBS invovled caring for plants or animals. My Masters degree is in Aquaculture, which involves nuturing anything that grows in the water. In my case, I was probably born with "fish empathy". I empathically know what is wrong with plants or fish. One characteristic which is contrary to classical INFP/ INTP is that I'm observant.

    A major complaint is that I'm messy. I'm trying to improve, but I'll walk right past trash I threw on the ground...indefinitely...but notice very slight differences in fish behavior. I was a gardener before I came here (for five years), but when I got here, my bonsai all died because I became rapped up in the fish.

    Earlier this morning I took out a big drawing tablet and made a list. I looked at what ponds I want to drain, and where I would move fish and where I would add water and where I would add chemicals or fertilizer. This is some sort of explosion of Te? I guess so. I think making these sorts of lists is essential.

    Oh, Huxley: I go buy clothes instead of dealing with the laundry monster. Recently I went to Wally world and bought around 45 38 gallon plastic tubs for dealing and organizing the laundry and other monsters.

    Saturned: I hope you find more. I went to the "aquarium of the Americas" 8 times, includig 2 "behind the scenes" tours. We helped feed the sharks one day. I'm not sure the status of the Aquarium since Katrina. What I found out is that that place had about four well-paid positions that were primarily veterinarians, and then a few hourly staff, and a waiting list for volunteering. Lots of those sorts of places have volunteering.

    Naturally, I'd need to "be you" in order to find something. Me, I went and applied to places that interested me. My first job out of graduate school was found by calling a number on a post it note stuck to a bulletin board of the fisheries building at the university. My current job was found on an aquaculture jobs website.
    Auto pay for bills was designed for P's. So much loveliness occurs when I can just have everything paid automatically.

    Once I get back from vacation I am going to restructure how my business is run. There are too many things that I am doing that I absolutely despise, but don't necessarily have to be the one doing them. It will be a good task for my J's to handle. I'm currently spending more time on the creative aspects here and that is proving to be much win.

    Interesting in regards to the aquarium. There isn't too much by me that could fit for that, but it's definitely a good idea to think about! I might just need to treat myself to a day at the zoo or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowriot View Post
    I dont think you are really looking at it from a practical viewpoint, just from a vision of the future, where you are interpreting this future, from the perception of who you are in the here and now. But that may vary from your own perception of yourself in the future.

    So you hate ironing and cooking 7 days a week? Then find something to fill the rest of your waking hours that will enable you to do these "day to day routines" with a smile on your face.

    Realizing the trites of day to day life and then ignore them in the hope it disappears is impractical. Its not being a specific personality type that makes one impractical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    The top manager in my department is most likely an INFP. He does what he is good at and delegates the rest to other managers. I think you can be practical when the motivation is there.
    This too makes sense. I definitely need to delegate more. Ideally I would like to be doing 75% creativity and 25% day to day stuff for my current business. Right now it's like 95% day to day details stuff, and 5% creative.

    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    You left the obvious werewolf off of this diagram. Hiding something?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzling Berry View Post
    When I was a kid I had a few different dream-jobs in mind. Time and experience verified those dreams. Some of them crushed and are now nice party stories. But one of them persisted and got stronger. It gave me a good, sound career - I love it and it's useful for others . I think for us INFPs it's good to keep our dreams but let them be cleaned by reality.

    As to what your friend says - I have a feeling that he's not that good with practicalities of life himself. If he was well endowed in that area, he wouldn't need anybody else to do it for him .


    I like your analogy of letting reality tidy up our dreams. But perhaps not too tidy....

    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    I forgot the serious reply!

    Ironing? Why?

    After 5-10 years, most men find that the "perfect wife" has become the "boring wife," which leads to Wife 2.0. Things are much easier for everyone if Wife 1.0 works out well.

    Pegasus riding is pretty exciting stuff. I know I don't really care too much about how practical someone is, just so that they can deal with reality on their own once in a while. There are way too many people who are over-practical anyway.
    Haha! well, a reality dealing INFP only comes along once in a blue moon. I have gotten better with it as I have gotten older. I used to drive my INTP dad insane with how unrealistic I can be at times. Which reminds me of a great story that I shall now share with you:

    Last summer I locked myself out of my house while throwing the garbage out. (Long story before this but suffice to say I locked the door between the house and garage before wandering into the garage.) I went to the neighbors to use their phone and called my dad to see if I had left a spare key there. No such luck but he drove out to wait with me while I called a lock smith. I remembered that my sliding glass door was open but my deck is tiny and has no stairs down. I didn't mention this to him because I was worried he would try climbing up and fall and die. So we are sitting there and he says "Man, if only your sliding glass door was open. We could go get the ladder and this would take 5 minutes." My face: . My dad goes, "Wait... are you telling me we have sat here for 3 hours waiting for a locksmith when your kitchen door has been open all. this. time.?!"

    Where was I going with this? Not sure. But I agree on the ironing. And the pegasus riding. And other NP kind of stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I agree with Kasper. This isn't Fiddler on the Roof; your value as a spouse is much more than whether you can cook/clean/fan your hubbie with a palmtree leaf.
    Hmm... let me get this straight... I can cook my hubbie with a palmtree leaf?! This changes everything! To the observatory!

    Quote Originally Posted by sui generis View Post
    This thread is interesting.

    My BFF is an INFP and her strengths are completely opposite mine. She has innate skills in diplomacy and conflict-resolution that I am very sorely lacking. She's good at persuading people with her passion. That same passion leads her to throw her entire self into projects related to what she believes in. (We're both dedicated hard workers, just for different reasons.) While I'm not sure how to "market" them, these are useful skills/attributes.

    Hope this helps.
    It does help my oppositional counterpart of awesome. I am very good at throwing myself passionately into causes and ideas that I believe in... I just lack the follow through .



    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    QFT - not many people have these skills and they are invaluable in any (work) environment. I certainly would bring them up during an interview, not as a way to maket yourselves per se, but simply as an honest representation of who you are.
    Thank you as well. I try my best. :Bitesnails: (haha! that could be bites nails or bite snails depending on how you look at it!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Eek, sorry! I was jesting...



    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post


    That's a very nice idea! We have to minimize risks. I could have said ''Just do whatever you feel like doing'' but when you don't have a plan b things can go wrong quickly.


    Whoa, since 2000? Must be intresting. Sounds like you have a good plan already.
    You remind Erica, from Being Erica. NFP, check, cool, check, decides to write by her 30s, check. How awesome is that! Except that she can go back in time and you can't.

    An interesting tv serie.
    It is an interesting idea. It was originally from my college thesis. I also have a fantasty/scifi series in my head involving time travel.

    I will check out the video later when I have sound on my computer. (P.S. how do you know I don't time travel? I am writing this from the future!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    (P.S. how do you know I don't time travel? I am writing this from the future!)


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    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
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