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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    Because you are the one who is accusing me of having a victim mentality. I certainly don't view myself that way. Am I venting? Sure. Many people do. Romance is what it is. Feelings aren't always rational and people aren't going to necessarily make rational decisions when it comes to choosing a partner. You can agree or disagree with me. I don't care.
    Why would anyone resent an entire gender for a few who don't find them attractive?

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    Entropie: That should be 'were'. If I 'were' you

    And Jenaphor, are you taking a stance against being universally attractive?
    Excuse me, but does this smell like chloroform to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Why would anyone resent an entire gender for a few who don't find them attractive?
    I don't resent women. I resent their prevailing preference for certain behaviors in men. You can try to pretend that such a thing doesn't exist, but I won't believe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    Entropie: That should be 'were'. If I 'were' you

    And Jenaphor, are you taking a stance against being universally attractive?
    Is it the day of "we correct entropie" today ? Is it my fault that you dont speak gangster ?

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    Mask: I think that most women would prefer more sensitive guys. From what I have seen, it is the idiots who prefer the macho man. I'm quite surprised you haven't seen this trend, or that it isn't occurring where you can observe it.

    Entropie: I'd make a bad gangster, what can I say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    I don't resent women. I resent their prevailing preference for certain behaviors in men. You can try to pretend that such a thing doesn't exist, but I won't believe you.
    attraction isn't a choice. most of the women I know have great respect for feminine men, but they can't help it if they don't find them attractive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    There seems to be a sense of misogyny that overshadows both genders. A woman who is considered to have a "masculine" personality, whatever that may be: vocal, authoritative, take-charge attitude, will probably be regarded as more attractive than a man who is considered feminine: sensitive, cautious, quiet-natured. Again, I don't think those qualities define either gender, but they seem to be stereotypes that are often reiterated in society, blatantly or subtly, by both genders.
    I also disagree with the bolded. Not trying to "team up" on you, just simply stating that it hasn't been my observation. I think so-called "masculine" females face societal obstacles that are similar to "feminine" males. They each have different obstacles, but they are similar in nature - and not more "severe" than the other. I don't see "feminine males" as these "weird freaks of nature that have no place in society and whom women aren't attracted to", nor do I see "masculine females" as people who "no man would ever be attracted to".

    I do think that maybe less people (as a percentage of society) would be attracted to these two personalities that we're talking about. I do think that "masculine females" and "feminine males" (these terms are actually ridiculous because they are terms coined by society - people are just people - you are who you are) potentially have a harder time finding a mate because they are "different" than mainstream personality types. But, as Jenaphor says, its just who you are. You are who you are, period. It doesn't make one less valuable as a person or anything. It just happens that you find yourself in a minority category of sorts, which all of us experience to some degree in some aspect of life. Besides, both masculine females and feminine males have strengths and positive attributes that they bring to the table and that benefit themselves, the people they know and love, and society as a whole. Being unique, I think, is actually a good thing. It means you add spice to the world, you add flavor. Who in their right mind...........would want to be "just like everyone else?"
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    Just dont become to german. Its a reason why I ran away from them, my english isnt always getting corrected on this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    And Jenaphor, are you taking a stance against being universally attractive?
    Because it's an unrealistic and self-defeating view since no one is universally attractive. Take Megan Fox. There are enough men who don't find her attractive in her entirety which includes both looks and personality although it's more to do with her personality. Should she take up the position of resenting men as a whole, for the few who don't find her attractive? Or someone like Anna Paquin who both draws and doesn't draw men.

    I'm using celebrities since they're people most know about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    I don't resent women. I resent their prevailing preference for certain behaviors in men. You can try to pretend that such a thing doesn't exist, but I won't believe you.
    The bolded is the same difference. Frankly, that's unattractive no matter what gender we're discussing. To be resented as a whole, for something that encompasses a few or some.

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    Ent: I promise I won't. Besides, that would be being an ass to do it toooo much. Your english is most remarkable, and I admire it greatly. I too shall speak german one day as well as you speak english.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Its still bullshit. There are a dozen woman on this world who are more educated and who not only look for a partner but a soul mate.
    Only 12 women? Or is it a bakers dozen, 13? In any case, that is so few! :p


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Because it's an unrealistic and self-defeating view since no one is universally attractive. Take Megan Fox. There are enough men who don't find her attractive in her entirety which includes both looks and personality although it's more to do with her personality. Should she take up the position of resenting men as a whole, for the few who don't find her attractive? Or someone like Anna Paquin who both draws and doesn't draw men.

    I'm using celebrities since they're people most know about.

    The bolded is the same difference. Frankly, that's unattractive no matter what gender we're discussing. To be resented as a whole, for something that encompasses a few or some.
    Ah, I didn't know it was for resentment. I think it is natural to want to be attractive to a large number of people. I tend to take universally as 'on the whole'
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