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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I nominate this for the most ill-informed, 'typology'-infested bullshit comment of the month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
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    Can you elaborate on this?
    What 'mutual care'? for whom? Masculinity is an aspect of economics? Is that what you're implying with the 'steel worker' allusion?
    Well if you dont understand what I mean with 'mutual care' when I speak about the two gender aspects, you wouldnt understand if I'd elaborate further
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    I don't think most male NFs resent the so-called "feminine" aspects of their personality. They resent the fact that women aren't attracted to them because of it.
    This I don't understand for three reasons:
    1. It's assuming that women aren't attracted for what NF males perceive as "feminine" aspects of their personalities.
    2. It also resonates with a sense of need to be viewed as universally attractive.
    3. It also takes the perspective of being a victim.

    Being an ENTJ female, I don't resent men for having their preferences and don't "blame" their reasoning on myself being an NT woman, although that's quite possible but is kind of moot to me. Of the ones who aren't attracted, they have their right to feel that way since attraction isn't something people can control. Quite frankly, the ones who aren't attracted, I don't recall being attracted to and have no interest in being considered universally attractive. As an individual, I exist as me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
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    Well if you dont understand what I mean with 'mutual care' when I speak about the two gender aspects, you wouldnt understand if I'd elaborate further
    No. the problem is that you can't speak English very well. lack of clarity is not a proxy for sophistication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    This I don't understand for three reasons:
    1. It's assuming that women aren't attracted for what NF males perceive as "feminine" aspects of their personalities.
    2. It also resonates with a sense of need to be viewed as universally attractive.
    3. It also takes the perspective of being a victim.

    Being an ENTJ female, I don't resent men for having their preferences and don't "blame" their reasoning on myself being an NT woman, although that's quite possible but is kind of moot to me. Of the ones who aren't attracted, they have their right to feel that way since attraction isn't something people can control. Quite frankly, the ones who aren't attracted, I don't recall being attracted to and have no interest in being considered universally attractive. As an individual, I exist as me.
    There seems to be a sense of misogyny that overshadows both genders. A woman who is considered to have a "masculine" personality, whatever that may be: vocal, authoritative, take-charge attitude, will probably be regarded as more attractive than a man who is considered feminine: sensitive, cautious, quiet-natured. Again, I don't think those qualities define either gender, but they seem to be stereotypes that are often reiterated in society, blatantly or subtly, by both genders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    No. the problem is that you can't speak English very well. lack of clarity is not a proxy for sophistication.
    how about you learn german ?

    and besides people most of the time dont understand me in german as well. Thats a good way to appear like a sage tho you are dumb like batshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    There seems to be a sense of misogyny that overshadows both genders. A woman who is considered to have a "masculine" personality, whatever that may be: vocal, authoritative, take-charge attitude, will probably be regarded as more attractive than a man who is considered feminine: sensitive, cautious, quiet-natured. Again, I don't think those qualities define either gender, but they seem to be stereotypes that are often reiterated in society, blatantly or subtly, by both genders..
    Mask, can you honestly say the bolded with a straight face? As well, it continues to take a victim's stance where none of us are victims. We're individuals having traits that attract some and turn off others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Mask, can you honestly say the bolded with a straight face? As well, it continues to take a victim's stance where none of us are victims. We're individuals having traits that attract some and turn off others.
    Yeah, I honestly can. I wouldn't have said it otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    Yeah, I honestly can. I wouldn't have said it otherwise.
    Why are you avoiding the victim aspect? As adults, none of us are victims if we're willing to view attraction in realistic terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Why are you avoiding the victim aspect? As adults, none of us are victims if we're willing to view attraction in realistic terms.
    Because you are the one who is accusing me of having a victim mentality. I certainly don't view myself that way. Am I venting? Sure. Many people do. Romance is what it is. Feelings aren't always rational and people aren't going to necessarily make rational decisions when it comes to choosing a partner. You can agree or disagree with me. I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    Yeah, I honestly can. I wouldn't have said it otherwise.
    Its still bullshit. There are a dozen woman on this world who are more educated and who not only look for a partner but a soul mate. The concept that every jack will find his jill is true, I've seen it a billion of times. Being a sensitive man normally increases your chances dramatically, being a masculine man normally doesnt give you too many relationships, but long lasting ones. This is veryx trivial and no rule of thumb, but one thing is for sure: what attracts woman to you will change with age a couple of times. While at age 16 the woman go for the bad boys, at age 25 this will have changed again. There are tho some woman, who even at age 16 had the wisdom of knowing whats good for them and those are those you want.

    It's anything but limited to only one aspect, like you have to be masculine or good looking or whatsoever. Especially America is a very diversified culture, on the one hand you have a lot of superficiality on the other hand your culture runs very deep and its morales have profound meaning. I wouldnt fly the white flag too fast if I was you
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