User Tag List

First 12345 Last

Results 21 to 30 of 48

  1. #21
    Member cheap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    F00D
    Posts
    41

    Default

    Religion is good escapism!

    As of right now, I am in the midst of reconciling my beliefs. This post is only a tiny portion of it all. I was brought up Buddhist and it still makes the most sense to me, although I do believe in the whole soul age thing, which it dismisses. But I see that as being the same thing as karma with being born into a new life, resuming from where we left off regardless of whether we're headed backwards or forwards, or should I say upwards or downwards.

    "There is no truth, only truths" pretty much sums up my worldview in a worldly context. I idealise that no one's life should be cheated by "false" belief but then again, that false belief could be his or her karma being paid off. And of course this is only my interpretation of what could be happening to someone because nothing you don't believe applies to your mindset. Or there are absolute truths and it is only our perception that interprets the contradictions, but I’m more inclined to believe those are universal principles like “good things happen to good people.”

    More recently Christianity has been introduced properly to me. I realise that people are going to be sceptical unless they've had a personal experience or "calling". I've even joined a Myspace group called "I saw Jesus Christ" as a personal witness to some pretty amazing miracles.
    I especially don't like the idea of trying to convert people though. We'll all get to wherever we're going and meant to be eventually…okay, and for that, we need *some* conversion crusaders. If you want to recommend God, sharing personal experiences of why it worked for you is more effective than bible thumping or door-to-door preaching. But I can rest in trusting that most organised religions have good intentions.

    My friend told me she finds Christianity negative; that telling us we're all sinners is harsh. She resents “God's divinity” because "He sent his son to die (but if you believe in the trinity then Jesus was also a part of God), and He exposed us to evil." But if we didn't refer to our perception of Him as a deity, just a force, then I'd find it easier to comprehend that inherent evil is just how life works, that it wasn't *done to us*. Being told that part of me is evil isn't cruel, it's how humility has been taught, by being grateful for even the IDEA that Jesus, or anyone would, die for us. It makes me want to change.

    I idealise that there are infinite soul paths... --this is an unfinished pondering and boy do I feel crazy believing it. Is truth divergent or convergent (via reconciled contradictions)? And then it's both in some areas of my mind. :/

    I have every reason to believe that higher powers are real, churning the earth and the universe, and that whether any of it is real or not depends on the type of meaning you are after and how connected you are in its pursuit. For me, it was as simple as choosing to take the elevator over staying longer on the ground floor. This is difficult because the physical plane is so adversely distractive, but we'll all get sick of life eventually and I embraced religion because I felt ready for a transformation. I’m afraid of what I’m capable of and the best opportunity I have to scrub my slate is while I’m tame. As a good friend of mine put it "I'm living for forever."

    I don't take Christianity's worldview too literally. What's wrong with believing creation took place through evolution? or that God's judgement is karma? I see God as the force which binds the universe and is thus greater than it. If we all have a Buddha nature which can be cultivated, I have faith that it is possible to merge again with God and the universe.

    The bottom line is that intuition tells me it is OKAY to have the subjective interpretations I do, as long as it reinforces my will to strengthen and exert my morals. We all have it in us to shake off our inherent taints. It's the only way we can lighten our spirits and transcend to higher planes.


    Good thread, just my two cents.

  2. #22
    Senior Member aeon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    INFP
    Posts
    310

    Default

    In the Value Sorter thread, five people identified Spirituality as a core value. IIRC, all of them typed as NF. I was one of those five.


    cheers,
    Ian

  3. #23
    Senior Member cafe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    9w1
    Socionics
    INFj None
    Posts
    9,827

    Default

    I am kind of an agnostic Evangelical Christian, specifically Pentecostal. I don't think we can know in this life, but I still believe.
    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
    ~ John Rogers

  4. #24
    Senior Member Kyrielle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    4w5
    Posts
    1,297

    Default

    I don't suscribe to any religion and I prefer to be aware of all the different stories and myths that power human reasoning. Sometimes I think the greatest peace can be found in experiencing the 'now' for a while...grounding yourself completely and becoming utterly aware of every sense (probably because I'm almost never grounded at all and practically deaf, blind, and mute some moments).

    Anyway. All those big questions...you'll never know the answer to them. They're really only worth pondering for a while and burning time. Even if you could know the answer...would you want to? Would take all the mystery and fun out of life!

  5. #25
    Senior Member alcea rosea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7w6
    Socionics
    ????
    Posts
    3,665

    Default

    I'm not spiritual or religious. I'm not atheist either. I have no name to my beliefs.

    Why would you connect idealism with religion/spiritualism? Idealism has nothing to do with being religious.

    Dictionary.com:
    i•de•al•ism
    –noun 1. the cherishing or pursuit of high or noble principles, purposes, goals, etc.
    2. the practice of idealizing.
    3. something idealized; an ideal representation.
    4. Fine Arts. treatment of subject matter in a work of art in which a mental conception of beauty or form is stressed, characterized usually by the selection of particular features of various models and their combination into a whole according to a standard of perfection. Compare naturalism (def. 2), realism (def. 3a).
    5. Philosophy. a. any system or theory that maintains that the real is of the nature of thought or that the object of external perception consists of ideas.
    b. the tendency to represent things in an ideal form, or as they might or should be rather than as they are, with emphasis on values.

    Many organized religions are very hypocritical and very judging of what is appropriate and proper. In my eyes the message from bible is love and acceptance of all. I am Lutheran but it's just a "habit". I think I will search my religious answer from Buddhism or some other more peaceful religion although I doubt I find my idealism in religion. Ever.

  6. #26
    ByMySword
    Guest

    Default

    I'm no longer religious, but I am spiritual. I believe in a God or some other type of higher power, and feel that the Christian philosophy is a good one. Though I don't necessarily live my life by it. I do consider myself a Christian in the spiritual sense.

    I'm very spiritual, though. I think there is more to life than just this. And I like to look at spirituality as logically as possible.

  7. #27
    Procrastinating
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    954

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alcea Rosea View Post
    Many organized religions are very hypocritical and very judging of what is appropriate and proper.
    No, they aren't actually... although some religious people may be... those who don't actually live their religion and, in fact, may not even know what its actual principles are.

  8. #28
    Senior Member Nameless's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Posts
    105

    Default

    I am an athiest.
    But I believe in that part of people that makes a team of doctors work tirelessly to repair a little boy's face after he has been car bombed. And that larger-than-life feeling you get when you're surrounded by nature, like crashing waves or huge trees or snow-capped mountains. And in love, even though I have been taught it is just an evolutionary trick.

  9. #29
    Senior Member Butterfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Posts
    201

    Default

    Mmmm nice replies.

    I noticed a trend.

    1. Disgruntled with the illogical side of Christianity, therefore discarded it and have either become atheists or are practicing christianity out of 'habit'.

    2. Looking for peace and meaning in other 'spiritual' outlets, eg Bhuddism and Taoism. Which is all feel good philosophies without any accountability or code of living the practical side of life.

    I dont see much variety here. How about other religions? eg hinduism, islam, judaism etc?

  10. #30
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Posts
    30

    Default Variety

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Mmmm nice replies.

    I noticed a trend.

    1. Disgruntled with the illogical side of Christianity, therefore discarded it and have either become atheists or are practicing christianity out of 'habit'.

    2. Looking for peace and meaning in other 'spiritual' outlets, eg Bhuddism and Taoism. Which is all feel good philosophies without any accountability or code of living the practical side of life.

    I dont see much variety here. How about other religions? eg hinduism, islam, judaism etc?
    I have a question for all you out there disallusioned with Christianity...have you ever tried a different Christian church? A different denomination? You may find what you're looking for there...not all churches are the same, believe it or not!!

    > I am formally Catholic.

    >I adopted the Nazarene denomination because I was seeking God and I couldn't find him in the Catholic Church (no offense to any Catholics here, I still hold a great respect for many aspects of your Church).

    > After two years, I dropped the first Nazarene church I attended because I did not believe the Spirit was there anymore.

    > I now go to another, Nazarene church (because I love the doctorine of holiness) with a Pastor can bring on a sermon like no other and it is evident to me that the Spirit is with him and is present there.

    > I also attend a Covenant "super church" called Bayside; I consider the Nazarene church my home church (it gets first dibs in ministry), but I also go to Bayside for Saturday night services and Sunday night singles group (which consists of like 100 singles).

    I take my church very seriously; I do not leave one lightly and I'd prefer to not leave one at all, but I follow God and there have been times in my life where it's been evident He wasn't where I attended. Great blessings have followed the times when I did follow him.

    I urge you folks...before putting down Christ altogether, if you haven't already, seek elsewhere to try to attend. We NFs aren't Guardians!! Stuffy church doesn't do it for us!! God is not stuffy!!
    Friends don't let friends park; accidents cause people.

Similar Threads

  1. [NF] help me type theres spiritual entities
    By chado in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 09-05-2016, 05:18 PM
  2. [NF] Why do NFs like Spirituality?
    By RaptorWizard in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 04-21-2013, 06:00 PM
  3. [NF] NFs are you spiritual?
    By syndatha in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 94
    Last Post: 03-14-2011, 12:02 AM
  4. [NF] NFs and Spirituality
    By *poke* in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 10-04-2008, 05:14 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO