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    Default How do NFJs develop morals?

    most of the NFJs I know seem to have a decently developed sense of morals, but, without Fi, how do you develop them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    most of the NFJs I know seem to have a decently developed sense of morals, but, without Fi, how do you develop them?
    Through the observation of what morals 'are' and 'are appropriate' from their observation.

    There was a particularly neat scientific study based upon the wild west. The discovery was that when enough 'moralists' spotted immoral/cheating/biased behaviour that a turning point was reached where a society moves from 'lawless' to 'lawful'. The groups who support immorality/cheating/biased decision making suddenly flip morals when they observe the presence of moralists in their society.

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    oh, so is what you're saying that morals are more or less "inherited" by Fe users and created by Fi users?
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    I don't really know to be honest. It started off with what I was told was the right thing by parents and authority figures... and now it's just whatever I feel is right, often going against what I was taught. The only rule I think people should live by, generally, is "do what you want so long as it hurts no one." If someone is being harmed, even if it's in a small way, then I'm likely to consider it 'wrong', but if an action doesn't effect anybody then... why care? And if it actively helps people, well, that's good.

    Is that perhaps my Fi function getting muddled in with my Fe? I'm not sure. I'm not very good at analysing the different functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    oh, so is what you're saying that morals are more or less "inherited" by Fe users and created by Fi users?
    Well, not exactly. It is 'inherited' from the environment and has inertia as opposed to generated by consciously introspecting. Just as logic is inherited by Te users from the environment. It's a matter of people touching the environment to understand how it works. This is markedly hilarious in xxxP types, where the xFP believes they have the right to tell others what to 'think' but no-one has the right to scruitinise what they feel and for xTP types where they have the right to tell others what to 'feel' but similarly no-one is allowed to scruitinse what they 'think'. Perceiver-rationality is funny business to the observer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Well, not exactly. It is 'inherited' from the environment and has inertia as opposed to generated by consciously introspecting. Just as logic is inherited by Te users from the environment. It's a matter of people touching the environment to understand how it works. This is markedly hilarious in xxxP types, where the xFP believes they have the right to tell others what to 'think' but no-one has the right to scruitinise what they feel and for xTP types where they have the right to tell others what to 'feel' but similarly no-one is allowed to scruitinse what they 'think'. Perceiver-rationality is funny business to the observer.
    interesting, I find Si and Fe rather humorous to observe on the J end. with Ps, I mostly find the information gather processes to be funny (Ne and Se)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faine View Post
    I don't really know to be honest. It started off with what I was told was the right thing by parents and authority figures... and now it's just whatever I feel is right, often going against what I was taught. The only rule I think people should live by, generally, is "do what you want so long as it hurts no one." If someone is being harmed, even if it's in a small way, then I'm likely to consider it 'wrong', but if an action doesn't effect anybody then... why care? And if it actively helps people, well, that's good.

    Is that perhaps my Fi function getting muddled in with my Fe? I'm not sure. I'm not very good at analysing the different functions.
    hmm, I see. so are you saying the values your parents taught you are more of a "starting point" that you then tweaked using Ni and Ti to make more sense, thus coming to your own decision of what is right and wrong? if so, then essentially the process is like what I do, except backwards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    hmm, I see. so are you saying the values your parents taught you are more of a "starting point" that you then tweaked using Ni and Ti to make more sense, thus coming to your own decision of what is right and wrong? if so, then essentially the process is like what I do, except backwards
    for example: I believe it is fundamentally wrong that the government should be able to dictate the drinking age of it's citizens. however, if my pure, unbridled Fi had it's way and all drinking laws were instantly repealed, the rate of drunk driving accidents would shoot up 5 times. hence, Te gives me prudence, restraint and rationality based on external logic and evidence

    Edit: point being, my values work internal to external and yours work external to internal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    interesting, I find Si and Fe rather humorous to observe on the J end. with Ps, I mostly find the information gather processes to be funny (Ne and Se)
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    You don't get it yet, but you'll get it eventually.
    I get it, I was making a different point
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