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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Let us say D (D for demonstration) is an Axiom.
    The D of a thing is not the thing then.
    It is an agent. The thing is an object.

    The agent is Fe.
    The object however is Fi.

    Look for the lowest common denominator.
    Let us say there is more Fe than Fi.
    Simple arithmetics. Quantification.
    Only as much as Fe is the match of Fi, Fe demonstrates Fi.
    What happens to the surplus Fe?
    Would the surplus Fe be a demonstration of something already demonstrated? (redundancy)
    I mean, more Fe than Fi. Fe doesn't change, it's just a remaining demonstration of an object not present. So I'm thinking it continues to demonstrate for the object, which is now nothing but a phantom limb.

    Or, is it also an agent for another object? In which case, not all Fi may be expunged by demonstrative Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    (Weird, never got a quote alert for this.)

    Criticizing your approach to this topic, disagreeing with you, and providing my own opinion is not what I consider trolling. If so, I've been doing this foruming thing all wrong for quite some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    I guess what I'm trying to say is what other types see as being "fake" is actually more like "navigation", based on the ideal of social harmony. For Fe-users, the whole world is about the flow of the Fe language, it's like a bowl of water, where every little disturbance causes ripples in all directions. You are a water molecule connected to all other water molecules, and if you're a good person, you don't want to cause a stir. Most Fe behaviors are motivated by just that.
    I really think you have sum it up well there.

    I don't know why people seeing Fe as manipulative mechanism whereas I see it as a mere defensive mechanism--be it for striking a social harmony. I mean what's the point of showing negative feelings to affect a whole group? I really consider it as a selfless and unselfish act.

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    I didn't read the entire thread, but I think I now realized why INFJs tend to be mostly misunderstood by others.



    Question: Does Fe vs. Fi has a bigger impact on social disagreement and misunderstanding or Te vs. Ti?

    I always thought Te vs. Ti has a bigger impact but now I felt it's Fe vs. Fi.

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    i dont get it how this topic keeps on going so long. and because the topic is so long already, i cba to find out by reading the whole thing..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crescent Fresh View Post
    I really think you have sum it up well there.

    I don't know why people seeing Fe as manipulative mechanism whereas I see it as a mere defensive mechanism--be it for striking a social harmony. I mean what's the point of showing negative feelings to affect a whole group? I really consider it as a selfless and unselfish act.
    I agree with this. Although, while it is often used defensively (I certainly do that, as an INFJ 6), that's not the "best" way to use it. To me, judicious use of Fe has the result of...smoothing the way for what are probably more important things, or other essential things. A background of harmony and acceptance can allow people to feel more free to open up to others, to be creative, to help others, or whatever the case may be. And when I talk about "smoothing the way", I don't mean being fake. I mean that it provides a solid foundation.

    I think over-use of Fe could be fake, though I don't think it would be *just* Fe in such a case. I guess I'd say this: over-use of Fe could be fake, over-use of Fi could be selfish and draining (ie. insistence on inflicting your emotional state on others, regardless of what it is, all the time.) And I think I've definitely met people who do one or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    huh? no.
    Oh because you just made a very Fi seeming statement. ISTPs don't have Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i dont get it how this topic keeps on going so long. and because the topic is so long already, i cba to find out by reading the whole thing..
    It may be because he's an Fi type in denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    It's hard to understand why someone would value social order and harmony higher than their own internal state, the way I come to see it the persons internal feelings should matter more than what is going on around them externally. When a house is built it is built for the ground up from it's most basic foundation. The Fe user stems their internal feelings through their external affairs.
    I agree with Marm, this sounds like a very Fi statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Oh because you just made a very Fi seeming statement. ISTPs don't have Fi.
    If you want to nitpick, they do, but it's their least developed function...

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