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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    If you're simply saying that dom-Fe-ers will have the ability to use Fe more negatively than any of the other types who use (or don't use) Fe, I might buy it, as long as you also add that dom-Ne-ers will have the ability to use Ne more negatively than any of the other types, and dom-Ti-ers will have the ability....... and so on.

    There's nothing inherently more manipulative/destined-to-go-sour about Fe than any of the other functions, though.
    Each type has the ability to use their strengths for negative. Not only Fe.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Are you implying that you've never interacted with someone that you very much dislike and "been nice" even though you didn't want to be nice at that moment? In other words, you "put on a nice face" for the evening and then when you got home you went, "Boy am I glad to be done with that person!"
    Not exactly, because of the bolded. If I'm being nice to someone, it's because I want to. That doesn't mean I like them. It just means I want to keep things smooth for whatever reason. That's what Fe is for. I might also want to criticize them and tell them off (Ti), but in the balance, Fe wins. Ti will work behind the scenes and seize opportunities to undermine them or to get away quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Or, a boss that you didn't particularly care for demanded that you do something you didn't want to do and you went "Oh, okay. No problem. Hee hee."

    You've never done those things? Or things like that?

    I guess I see your point. Fe is simply the "mechanism" we use to "be nice", so maybe it's not the Fe in and of itself that is fake - instead it's something in the person that causes them to "employ the Fe mechanism". Either way, when a person employs such strategies, the person themselves is being fake to some degree.
    Good, this is a step in the right direction, but it still isn't fake because the desire for harmony is real. You might have conflicting desires - the desire to tell someone off vs. the desire to keep the peace - but that doesn't mean it's 'fake' if you prioritize one of them over the other. It might be unfulfilling to you, maybe? For me, it isn't. I get a real kick out of a situation when I could have lost my cool but managed to stay on top of things instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Each type has the ability to use their strengths for negative. Not only Fe.
    Right. So what exactly is the point of this whole thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amazingdatagirl View Post
    Inferior Fe is a bitch. I feel a certain obligation to play along with the established order but sometimes it's just easier to lie and escape the pressure of implicit social rules. Somebody, please explain to me how a "rule" can be implicit. Doesn't that violate a fundamental principal of rule making? ** sorry, Ti rant **
    Not exactly. Rules arise from our brains' natural process of detecting patterns in antecedent/behaviour/consequence relationships. Formalizing them does require certain principles, but there's the organic concept as well as the formal one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resonance View Post
    What is it 'faking'? Fe isn't about what's happening internally. If I make a violin that looks like a Stradivarius, is it a 'fake violin'? No, it still works like a violin and can play very beautiful music. Is it a 'fake Stradivarius'? Only if I put a label on it or tell people that it's a real one.

    Fe's not faking anything, even when it's not representing your internal state, because it's not meant to.
    You just said that Fe isn't internal? so how can something external be real if it doesn't represent someones internal state?

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    hahaha right on, cascadeco. My thoughts exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    You just said that Fe isn't internal? so how can something external be real if it doesn't represent someones internal state?
    um? I'm not sure what you're asking. This is the basic distinction of introverted/extroverted functions. Introverted = internal state (subjective), extroverted = external state (objective).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Right. So what exactly is the point of this whole thread?
    To discuss Fe. We could just as easily start a thread on the negatives of Ne or Te or Ti, or any of the other functions. I'll leave that to you if you'd like to do that. I see nothing wrong in discussing and learning about Fe. It's through discussion that we learn. That is the point of all of these threads and this entire forum, I would assume.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Wouldn't be worth the trouble to express it - but they still feel it!!! They're (we're) covering up what they really feel.
    No, they're feeling both - the internal emotion, and the desire to maintain harmony and order. For them, the feeling of desire to maintain harmony and order is more important than the particular internal emotion. They're being true to themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    No, they're feeling both - the internal emotion, and the desire to maintain harmony and order. For them, the feeling of desire to maintain harmony and order is more important than the particular internal emotion. They're being true to themselves.
    You can also look at it in the sense that they are not being true to themselves because they are trying to create harmony and order in others and not themselves.

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