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    I find this topic to be of great interest both clinically and on a personal level. This is my first post and couldn't stop myself from commenting.

    Being an INTP, I generally find it easy to isolate patterns and to make sense of Jungian Function Theory. I tend to find that the monetized MBTI version of the system is too surface as it doesn't allow for a full understanding of the way Jung meant it to be used. Taking a deeper look into the nature of an INFP with this in mind, one can make a few theoretical observations that are a bit more clear, concise and accurate in respect to how their mind works.

    For starters, the INFP tends to receive all this chatter about being capable of deep feeling and for being a genius of emotion, etc. This may be true. However, in English at least, the word 'feeling' is generally associated with positivity. To 'feel' is considered a positive act and is generally ascribed to mean squishy soft feely happiness. In a clinical setting, though, the word feeling is simply the act of feeling. It doesn't mean good, bad or indifferent feelings. It just means feeling. And since the Jung System is a clinical system, we need to define the word feeling in a clinical way. Therefore, the INFP is completely capable of harboring evil, violent or even murderous feelings, in addition to happy ones. It's all a matter of who they are and what sort of internal landscape they reside in.

    My sense of INFPs is that they are built with an enormous potential to do a lot of good, a lot of bad or both. And no matter which direction they point it, they will be remorseless and carry almost zero guilt. Their moral system is entirely subjective, self built, and will be defended to the death. They avoid culpability at all costs. Trod on their ideals and you will be swiftly disposed. Show them an empirically undeniable fact that is counter their core ideals and they will almost always spiral into a thinking hissy fit and irrationally fuel themselves into an emotional gorge fest trying to find a way to disprove what they can't deny factually by feeling their way out of it. Or more often, they will shut you out, the idea you delivered and everything within a 10-block radius that contradicts how they wish to feel. Why? Because they want to curate a certain feeling-scape and you just messed it up with something external and outside of their control. They are die hard self preservationists. To the point I've watched them self destruct, steal, inflict damage and even put others lives in danger to meet a need to feel a certain way. Said another way, they are prone to emotional manipulation in order to achieve a desired emotional (feeling) outcome. And they will systematically avoid data or observations that contradict any such outcome even if it means causing harm or ignoring the safety of themselves or those around them. This being why they are conflict averse.

    In summation, I find them to be exceptionally stubborn, difficult to communicate with in a balanced way, and generally, dare I say, selfish. They are also prone to manipulate, although they won't tell you this. Mostly because they don't view it that way. Much like a person trying who is trying to win a debate will edit out points that damage their position, INFPs do this with emotions, and will do what they need to in order to manage the desired emotional outcome both inside themselves and in you, if they value something you've got or you are assisting in helping them achieve the feelings they wish to feel. Basically there is an inborn ability to view people as emotional tools for their own benefit. If they are in line with the common good, great. They're normally innocuous. If they are maladjusted or have ulterior motives, look out.

    Saying all of this I gather you can now see that the INFP has a lot of potential. And that potential can go one of two ways ... effectively and fast.
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    @faculae, that was both scathing (I'm guessing you have first-hand experience with unhealthy INFPs?) and insightful. Attunement to and manipulation of the inner feelingscape (hah) fits well, and explains why they have such consistent social presences.

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    Frodo Baggins was evil, obviously.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Ima get you.

    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    So...how evil are we talking here?
    And so long as you haven’t experienced this: to die and so to grow,
    you are only a troubled guest on the dark earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Up Rex View Post
    So...how evil are we talking here?
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Honestly, I don't think there is a limit. The depth of whatever they execute is a direct function of the depth they are feeling it. So if it's extreme, I would guess you can anticipate a proportionate amount of extreme behavior in order to either maintain or flat out obtain the desired emotional outcome.

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    Fictional INFP baddies

    Jervis Tetch from Batman - He is a self-loathing scientist who hates himself so much that he becomes the Mad Hatter, his favourite character from his favourite book, Alice in Wonderland. He falls in love with women and uses mind control through the technology he creates to control people around him and in some cases the women themselves into loving him and doing his will. In the child friendly incarnations; he only controls people's minds, only forces women on dates and tries to kill Batman (who tries to stop him) but in his darker incarnations he, stalks, sexually assaults, rapes, commits paedophilia, murders girls or sends them into the sex trade.

    Prince John from Disney's Robin Hood - He is a childish adult prince who takes as much money from all his people so he can have all the money and all the jewels he wants. This means that all the poor people become even poorer and Robin Hood has to stop him.

    Harry Osbourn from Amazing Spiderman 2 Movie - A young business owner who has a hereditary terminal disease is looking for a cure. He was never loved (vacant mother and a father that hated him) and his one friend (Peter Parker/ Spiderman) who may have a cure abandons him due to worrying about what the possible cure might do to him. He takes the possible cure by force and though it does prolong his life, it also drives him insane and he goes after his old friend for revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enygmatic View Post
    Jervis Tetch from Batman - He is a self-loathing scientist who hates himself so much that he becomes the Mad Hatter, his favourite character from his favourite book, Alice in Wonderland. He falls in love with women and uses mind control through the technology he creates to control people around him and in some cases the women themselves into loving him and doing his will. In the child friendly incarnations; he only controls people's minds, only forces women on dates and tries to kill Batman (who tries to stop him) but in his darker incarnations he, stalks, sexually assaults, rapes, commits paedophilia, murders girls or sends them into the sex trade.
    I've never read the comics. The only version of that character I've seen was in the cartoon from the 90's and he didn't seem INFP to me at all. Mr. Freeze seemed to resonate more with the INFP description, imo.



    The Mad Hatter strikes me as more of an ENTP.


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