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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Hell yeah, wuz at the top of the page.
    Huh? I must have had an outer-body experience then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Huh? I must have had an outer-body experience then.
    It's a going concern.

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    *mutters* What a dumb byte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade19 View Post
    All I know is I think ENFPs tend to be pretty happy about who and what they are, no matter how hard it is to be one.
    Not to kick the hornet's nest or anything, but what's so hard about being an ENFP?

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Hey dont kill the messenger, I am just reading the forums, Te this Te that.
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    Entropie, the curiosity and thread are much appreciated but you're right, we don't like to muck about..we like to get to the core of this kind of shit as we don't enjoy misunderstandings, especially not when it comes to our own behavior. So..what is it exactly you'd like to know? Why Te is important to us? Why we find ourselves tlaking about it so much? Why it shows up in us in the most unusual ways? What exactly are you curious about? Remember, we tend to be eager to please,especially if someone takes the effort, a genuine effort to want to understand us (not probe us and use our words against us, mind you), so chances are, if you ask a direct and honest question, you'll get a straight forward answer
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I am never sticking my tongue out on people, I've grown to understand with age that there is always a reason why people are like they are and knowing that makes it easier to cope with strong emotions. it's not about controlling them, it's about "I have something better to do". That's almost a religious attitude but dont tell those guys, otherwise they'll come and try to make me one of their sect .

    I wanted to start the thread with a small teaser, something to motivate people to reply and then have it go on about different topics developing on the fly. Goal was to get something to know about enfps, but not to insult them. One thing I have learnt, you definitly dont like to riddle over things like a Ti user would, you have more of this badass say what you mean or shutup attitude of NTJs. Next time I'll try to respect that. I thought maybe enfps would like a thread about themselves, cause I always like mthreads about me (ohoh entp honesty again, you may even learn a thing today Jim).

    If you want to tell me something more about the ideas made earlier in the posts go on. I really need to stop procrastinating the learning for my exam tomorrow now . So cu l8r
    well okay...i think enfps sort of use their te to put into action or clarify the information they have brought in with ne and deemed worthy with fi...i think you guys use your fe to charm people to stimulate your ti and go nuts with it with ne...or something...that was on fly and most likely pointless...let me try another one...enfps send out ne probes and nibble at it with fi and spit it out if it tastes yuck or use their te to demand to know what it is so that they may decide if they give a shit haha

    i've completely lost track of what we were talking about...let me think.

    let's see...you want to understand what makes us so different...well fi/ti haha we want to know you at the core. we care mostly about how you feel about something....ehh...nevermind with this schpiel...i'm not saying anything that hasn't been said better before by someone else on this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vala Faye View Post
    Entropie, the curiosity and thread are much appreciated but you're right, we don't like to muck about..we like to get to the core of this kind of shit as we don't enjoy misunderstandings, especially not when it comes to our own behavior. So..what is it exactly you'd like to know? Why Te is important to us? Why we find ourselves tlaking about it so much? Why it shows up in us in the most unusual ways? What exactly are you curious about? Remember, we tend to be eager to please,especially if someone takes the effort, a genuine effort to want to understand us (not probe us and use our words against us, mind you), so chances are, if you ask a direct and honest question, you'll get a straight forward answer
    Ditto.
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    jibberish...i am fantastic at speaking jibberish!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I've said what I wanted to say, I really dont know nothing about enfps. I have a few stereotypes but they are all negative and I dont want to go by them. I am wondering why the difference between an infp which is my gf and an enfp is apparently huge or if this is just a misperception. I am wondering if they perceive the world in causal possibilities as well and by that achieved a certain life experience they can use by now or if they have a problem to tell others about them at all.

    Maybe I'll find out one day
    *makes a histrionic leave*

    I'll go bug the ISTJs now, they at least dont fight back


    to try to answer your actual wondering... i think it depends a lot on the individuals. but on the whole i think that the major difference is that ENFPs are more motivated by ideas than values/ethics. it's very similar to the ENTP/INTP difference, really (i have both ENTPs & INTPs in the family, so i'm saying this from firsthand observation). in general i think ENxPs care less than INxPs that things are ideal because by sacrificing some perfection we can gain a broader scope of ideas and more leeway to experiment. an ENFP will cut Fi corners for the sake of curiosity, whereas an INFP will reign Ne in for the sake of maintaining their values. so as a result ENFPs are more dynamic, more exploratory, less considerate, less idealistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I doubt this is true regarding T. ESFJs for example are called to be good hosts and that they like to be like that. Hosting requires them to be good managers and there is no emphasis on their T, since they dont feel stressed out when hosting.
    but that's because hosting is completely a Fe thing - mobilization of people and maintenance of interaction. Fe can totally take care of that. T isn't really needed at all.

    how can i explain... well, the way i conceptualize the Judging functions is as "prioritizing". all Judging functions place things in hierarchies of what is most important. the T functions rank things by logical sequence, while the F functions rank things by personal significance. then the I/E attitudes designate where the ranking is applied to. Te ranks external things by logical sequence, and Fe ranks external things by personal sequence. they're really quite similar, i think. an ENFJ friend of mine is an excellent delegator and group leader, for example. they both are good at manipulating external things, including tasks, objects, and people. the question is not what they manipulate, but how. Te can direct people very well by organizing them in logical groupings, and Fe can do the same by organizing them for interpersonally significant groupings.

    so then we have their partners, Ti (ranks internal things by logic) and Fi (ranks internal things by personal significance) - with the caveat that "internal" really means "internal" to any system, not just internal to oneself. so an ENFP with Fi can get a sense of the internal wellbeing (or poor health) of a group, but we don't have any means of organizing that group without a Je function, so that's where Te comes in. essentially no one can organize their external environment without a Je function. which is why you and i are both Ps, and Pe-doms - we don't tend to actively organize our external environment, we tend to "flow" with it instead, and seek internal structure (Ti/Fi). but we still both need Je if we are to deal with situations like delegation, where we need to manipulate external things. and that's why ESFJs can easily host without summoning T at all - because Fe is already structuring their external environment for them. and ENTPs can rely on their internal sense of logic to organize things - it will just be based on an ideal inner system, instead of piecing together an external system like Te. but since Ti works logically, it can organize. whereas an ENFP trying to organize things via Fi... wow, i don't even know what would happen. i think nothing would happen. we probably just wouldn't care.

    maybe that's what i've been getting at. Fi doesn't always care about the things that Ti gives you a sense of logical ordering for, and that's why we need T. but an ESFJ doesn't need T because they already have a means of organizing the external. and an INFP doesn't need it because INFP's main goal isn't to get things from the external world, it's to organize the inner world, and so they summon Si for support instead of an external function.

    oh wow, that took me a long time to get here. i hope you haven't gotten tired of reading this rambling. my final conclusion is this:

    so ENFPs seek, first and foremost, engagement with the external environment of concepts and ideas. Fi gives us a sense of what we care about, and how things "should" be, but it does not really help us actively reorganize our external environment, which we need to do sometimes to make engaging with the external environment easier for us. so that's why Te is so important. i was wrong... it's important both because it's T and because it's Je. it could be Fe, but then we would have a very hard time detaching from situations and we would get hurt even more easily than we already do. it could be Ti, but then we'd have conflict between Ti and Fi. so Te serves the double functions of (a) protecting us, because it is T and allows us to detach, and (b) arming us with a way to manipulate the environment, because it is Je and prioritizes the external.

    I was basically not doubting the ability of an enfp to put things down with Te, but I was wondering why they talk about it so often. It appears that there is always a lot of disarray in an enfps life and that Te is the one way to get things structured.
    mm, perhaps so. i don't really see the world as disarray much, but i am admittedly a more organized variety of ENFP. i think the problem is that if we are looking at a picture like this:



    Ne + Fi thought is more like:



    while Ne + Ti is more like:



    and you are seeing the lack of logical organization. but it is not so uncomfortable, when you're inside our skin.

    I was wondering if it wasnt a good idea to stabilize the disarray to such a great extent that Te management wouldnt even be necessary. the intresting question here is, why is their so much disarray, if there is ? Do you get what I mean ?
    yeah. i don't think there is, really... i think it's just that we don't always care about logical things very much. like i was saying before about Fi... Fi doesn't always really care. and because Ne comes first, the drive to explore is most important... so we tend to run ahead exploring and making sure we are intrapersonally aware, and logic sort of lingers in the background. like, oh hey, maybe i should clean up, this clutter is kind of getting in the way. but if we were like you were suggesting... if we "stabilized"... aka were able to organize logically internally... well, we would be ENTPs, wouldn't we

    are you asking us to become ENTPs?

    I am not good with remembering specific words as well, I was more thinking of the key morales. But since I had to train the concept of moralit myself I think I am in no position to ask this question.
    ohh hm. i'm not totally sure i understand what you are referring to! haha sorry.

    Yes, I was overall hoping for a richer controversial discussion but at least someone ( you ) said something Thank you
    yeah! well i think your questions are interesting.

    i have to agree with what lady x and LL have asked though... what is it exactly that you are asking? i think we are looking at 2 different pictures again... lol... you're asking something about the diagram picture and we're looking at the painting and not seeing...

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    i think we are looking at 2 different pictures again... lol... you're asking something about the diagram picture and we're looking at the painting and not seeing...

    ha that's awesome. i think you're right.
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