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    Quote Originally Posted by gandalf View Post
    That's very interesting a notion

    Most tests on the internet (I have taken many and multiple times) claim me to be around 66 % INT and my J-P to be just slightly on J side. I contemplate and self-reflect a lot, probably a lot more than an average INTJ. Also, when reading variuos MBTI descriptions (not taking tests but just reading), I usually find myself equally strong J and P.

    About being F, then...Once again, when reading INTJ stuff, I totally understand what they are about and can very much relate to them. I think INTJ is what I most profoundly am. But then again, often I can't help being a bit annoyed by that certain arrogance that I think is often somewhat exaggerated in that context. I'd often find myself emphatizing possible F-readers.

    As far as I know, the MBTI is about preferences only. It says how you are likely to act or think but it gives no opinion of whether you are any good at doing that. The stronger the preference, the more you use the preferred option, and the less you use the other, the less you let it develop. You may, however, in certain conditions or when you grow older, learn to use "the other side" as well, even if it is weak compared to the preference. So, as a conclusion, I do wonder if I actually am and INTx with my feeling side somewhat affected to develop "exceptionally" by the environment in which I have grown up. I really don't know, but I am not surprised by your comment.

    As I said, the INTJ side of me is still strong. I can be very decisive, I just end up being the leader in many hobby-related situations even though I am not actively nor intentionally after such positions, I can say things that I know will hurt people with no regret or uncertainty in my voice or on my face when I think I have a good reason to do so (critique, as INTJs call it) etc.
    You would probably benefit from exploring the cognitive functions as they pertain to both the INTJ and INTP types. They are pretty different when you break down how each type thinks and views the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    You would probably benefit from exploring the cognitive functions as they pertain to both the INTJ and INTP types. They are pretty different when you break down how each type thinks and views the world.
    May I ask you to be a bit more specific? I have self-studied the MBTI and especially "my types" quite a lot though as a hobby only. I wonder if you are suggesting me some new point of view into those studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandalf View Post
    May I ask you to be a bit more specific? I have self-studied the MBTI and especially "my types" quite a lot though as a hobby only. I wonder if you are suggesting me some new point of view into those studies.
    I am fairly new to this stuff myself.

    I am sure someone else will jump in with more in depth data... but I will toss a couple preliminary things at you from wikipedia.

    INTJ:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ

    Drawing upon Jungian theory, Isabel Myers proposed that for each personality type, the cognitive functions (sensing, intuition, thinking, and feeling) form a hierarchy. This hierarchy represents the person's so-called default pattern of behavior.

    The Dominant function is the personality type's preferred role, the one they feel most comfortable with. The secondary Auxiliary function serves to support and expand on the Dominant function. If the Dominant is an information gathering function (sensing or intuition), the Auxiliary is a decision making function (thinking or feeling), and vice versa. The Tertiary function is less developed than the Dominant and Auxiliary, but it matures over time, rounding out the person's abilities. The Inferior function is the personality type's Achilles' heel. This is the function they are least comfortable with. Like the Tertiary, the Inferior function strengthens with maturity.[17]

    Jung and Myers considered the attitude of the Auxiliary, Tertiary, and Inferior functions to be the opposite of the Dominant. In this interpretation, if the Dominant function is extraverted, then the other three are introverted, and vice versa. However, many modern practitioners hold that the attitude of the Tertiary function is the same as the Dominant.[7] Using the more modern interpretation, the cognitive functions of the INTJ are as follows:[17]

    Dominant: Introverted intuition (Ni)
    Attracted to symbolic actions or devices, Ni synthesizes seeming paradoxes to create the previously unimagined. These realizations come with a certainty that demands action to fulfill a new vision of the future, solutions that may include complex systems or universal truths. [18]
    Auxiliary: Extraverted thinking (Te)
    Te organizes and schedules ideas and the environment to ensure the efficient, productive pursuit of objectives. Te seeks logical explanations for actions, events, and conclusions, looking for faulty reasoning and lapses in sequence. [19]
    Tertiary: Introverted feeling (Fi)
    Fi filters information based on interpretations of worth, forming judgments according to criteria that are often intangible. Fi constantly balances an internal set of values such as harmony and authenticity. Attuned to subtle distinctions, Fi innately senses what is true and what is false in a situation. [20]
    Inferior: Extraverted sensing (Se)
    Se focuses on the experiences and sensations of the immediate, physical world. With an acute awareness of the present surroundings, it brings relevant facts and details to the forefront and may lead to spontaneous action.
    INTP:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTP
    Drawing upon Jungian theory, Isabel Myers proposed that for each personality type, the cognitive functions (sensing, intuition, thinking, and feeling) form a hierarchy. This hierarchy represents the person's so-called default pattern of behavior.

    The Dominant function is the personality type's preferred role, the one they feel most comfortable with. The secondary Auxiliary function serves to support and expand on the Dominant function. If the Dominant is an information gathering function (sensing or intuition), the Auxiliary is a decision making function (thinking or feeling), and vice versa. The Tertiary function is less developed than the Dominant and Auxiliary, but it matures over time, rounding out the person's abilities. The Inferior function is the personality type's Achilles' heel. This is the function they are least comfortable with. Like the Tertiary, the Inferior function strengthens with maturity.[11]

    Jung and Myers considered the attitude of the Auxiliary, Tertiary, and Inferior functions to be the opposite of the Dominant. In this interpretation, if the Dominant function is extraverted, then the other three are introverted, and vice versa. However, many modern practitioners hold that the attitude of the Tertiary function is the same as the Dominant.[6] Using the more modern interpretation, the cognitive functions of the INTP are as follows:
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    Dominant: Introverted thinking (Ti)

    Ti seeks precision, such as the exact word to express an idea. It notices the minute distinctions that define the essence of things, then analyzes and classifies them. Ti examines all sides of an issue, looking to solve problems while minimizing effort and risk. It uses models to root out logical inconsistency.[12] Ti is calm, articulate, and aware of the forces that bind reality together. As introverted Thinkers, INTPs spend the majority of their time and energy ordering the interior, logical world of principles and generalizations in an effort to understand.

    [edit] Auxiliary: Extraverted intuition (Ne)

    Ne finds and interprets hidden meanings, using “what if” questions to explore alternatives, allowing multiple possibilities to coexist. This imaginative play weaves together insights and experiences from various sources to form a new whole, which can then become a catalyst to action.[13] Ne gives INTPs a grasp of the patterns of the world around them. They use their intuition to amalgamate empirical data into coherent pictures, from which they can derive universal principles. INTPs frequently puzzle over a problem for hours on end, until the answer suddenly crystallizes in a flash of insight.

    [edit] Tertiary: Introverted sensing (Si)

    Si collects data in the present moment and compares it with past experiences, a process that sometimes evokes the feelings associated with memory, as if the subject were reliving it. Seeking to protect what is familiar, Si draws upon history to form goals and expectations about what will happen in the future.[14] Si gives INTPs the potential for keen observation. They use this function to gather empirical data, use physical tools, perceive physical relationships, and support their internal logic with a rich sense of space.

    [edit] Inferior: Extraverted feeling (Fe)

    Fe seeks social connections and creates harmonious interactions through polite, considerate, and appropriate behavior. Fe responds to the explicit (and implicit) wants of others, and may even create an internal conflict between the subject’s own needs and the desire to meet the needs of others.[15] Fe drives the INTP to desire harmony in community. At their most relaxed, INTPs can be charming and outgoing among friends, or when they have a clearly defined role in the group. When under stress, however, INTPs can feel disconnected from the people around them, unable to use their extraverted Feeling to reach out to others. As their inferior function, Feeling can be a weak point; when threatened they will hide behind a wall of stoic logic. This can lead them to bottle up their emotions to preserve reason and harmony; but a failure to deal with these concealed emotions can lead to inappropriate outbursts.

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    That was nothing new to me, but thanks for trying And see, that's my INTJ side being very sincere...

    Here are the two descriptions that I have thought about the most:
    http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html
    http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandalf View Post
    That was nothing new to me, but thanks for trying And see, that's my INTJ side being very sincere...

    Here are the two descriptions that I have thought about the most:
    http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ.html
    http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP.html
    Oh, I usually find INTJs to be very sincere. Whether they are nice while being sincere, that is another thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Oh, I usually find INTJs to be very sincere. Whether they are nice while being sincere, that is another thing.
    Hmm... I usually find being sincere AND nice simultaneously requiring a certain level of concentration on my words

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    Here is my sweeping assumption: She got freaked out by meeting up in person. She told you she would do it, but when it came down to doing it she pansied out. Ya, I know.. it's mean to think the worst.. but I just see it happen with SO many people on dating sites! Ofcourse she could have something else thats come up.. and she might be mourning, but 7 weeks is quite some time. Just to send a message or something? Why delete her account? I think its weird. Ofcourse anythings possible. I wouldn't wait for another second though.. life is short. If you want an active dating life I'd jump back in and get someone else to date. When I've met people online.. I've tried to never drag it out too long. THe sooner you meet up the better.. then you can quickly access in-person compatibility before dragging it out for weeks and building your hopes up. Good luck!
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