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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqcues Le Paul View Post
    I'm a entp and I was wondering what you guys think about ENTPs....
    The great ones are GREAT, the bad ones are bad... not unlike everyone else. I confess that my interactions with them are more electric than most; natural symbiosis. I experience something similar with INTPs, but it's more subdued.

    Unfortunately, I don't encounter many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqcues Le Paul View Post
    I'm a entp and I was wondering what you guys think about ENTPs....
    thinking on ENTPs in my life:
    I follow your meaning, its a terrific journey to take with you. We share a lot of laughs, and its really unique from anything I share with others. Together we have the aptitude to be an ace adventuring team. Something about the dynamic lends itself well to travel, odyssey, discovery.

    More negatively, you can be flighty and I can be a drag and those tendencies may lead us to grate on each other in a cyclical and/or habitual way. Conflict-resolution cycles may follow. Resentment remains a poison, always. Always.
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    I only know one ENTP and I haven't even met her in real life, but we get along great. They seem to be especially good at making you laugh until you fall out of your chair and hit your head on the counter on the way down... Also, I find myself attracted to the NTPs and NTJs (given they have a well developed F). Something about them makes me smile. Or maybe it's that they sometimes fit the typical "nerd" stereotype. And I like nerds. They can invent things I'm too lazy to invent myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adasta View Post
    ENTPs can make poor teachers. Since they find it so easy to absorb technical ideas, they can become frustrated with others that can't do the same. I think the immediate response is "Why can't you understand this!" rather than "What part don't you understand?"
    this is most NTs, which to me is the most frustrating thing about them. teaching is a cooperative activity, not a debate. the point is to make the information as easy to understand, not to use it to test the subject's intelligence. I think a lot of NTs are extremely intelligent too and lack empathy for anyone who isn't as smart as they are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crescent Fresh View Post
    ENTPs, if you're reading this, would you mind telling me one of the biggest misconception about your type to NFs?
    Why don't you try to get to know us and find it out for yourself? (ie. I don't think I can tell you others' misconceptions of me without being others...it'd be like asking "how does the outside of this plane differ from the inside of the plane?" while you're sitting inside the plane).

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this is most NTs, which to me is the most frustrating thing about them. teaching is a cooperative activity, not a debate. the point is to make the information as easy to understand, not to use it to test the subject's intelligence. I think a lot of NTs are extremely intelligent too and lack empathy for anyone who isn't as smart as they are
    For some it may be a cooperative activity and for others it's a fun chance for debate. Yeah, it may make for a bad teacher for some, but and equally good teacher for others. You can't please all of the people all of the time, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegorystory View Post
    Why don't you try to get to know us and find it out for yourself? (ie. I don't think I can tell you others' misconceptions of me without being others...it'd be like asking "how does the outside of this plane differ from the inside of the plane?" while you're sitting inside the plane).

    For some it may be a cooperative activity and for others it's a fun chance for debate. Yeah, it may make for a bad teacher for some, but and equally good teacher for others. You can't please all of the people all of the time, unfortunately.
    it is true that debate can teach you things here and there, but your overall statement is just not true. teaching requires cooperation, empathy and knowledge of the student's background knowledge as well as being able to understand at least a little bit about how they think. frankly, these are skills that most NTs are absolutely terrible at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    it is true that debate can teach you things here and there, but your overall statement is just not true. teaching requires cooperation, empathy and knowledge of the student's background knowledge as well as being able to understand at least a little bit about how they think. frankly, these are skills that most NTs are absolutely terrible at.
    For you it does. I'm not saying you don't have a valid point, I'm just saying that for some people they may get more out of a teacher that is more antagonistic than cooperative. Besides, there are no "set rules" out there for how a teacher should teach.

    And it differs greatly depending on the institution, too. A professor is going to have much less of the time and resources to be like the teacher you described than a high school teacher. If you think you can get a teacher to cater to your individual learning needs all the time, you're never going to be satisfied. But that's just my opinion and how I approach the subject of learning and teaching. It's no better or worse than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lane777 View Post
    They're eccentric. INFJ's are insane. Only INFJ's are damn good at hiding it if we want to. ENTP's... aren't. And that's kind of enduring endearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegorystory View Post
    For you it does. I'm not saying you don't have a valid point, I'm just saying that for some people they may get more out of a teacher that is more antagonistic than cooperative. Besides, there are no "set rules" out there for how a teacher should teach.

    And it differs greatly depending on the institution, too. A professor is going to have much less of the time and resources to be like the teacher you described than a high school teacher. If you think you can get a teacher to cater to your individual learning needs all the time, you're never going to be satisfied. But that's just my opinion and how I approach the subject of learning and teaching. It's no better or worse than yours.
    it appears our miscommunication is a matter of definition. I am aware that some people learn better from competition, antagonism, debate etc, but this is not the same thing as a teacher. people with this learning style don't learn best from a teacher and are often ill equiped to help someone who does learn best from a teacher
    PS: in perfect honesty, I don't consider most professors to be teachers. they are informers, but they don't do a lot of actual teaching most of the time
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    I love 'em for a while, they're so sharp, so funny. But some of them can say/do these things that makes you see them in a much darker light. I can't speak for them all, since I've only met two that I know of. But the two I know seem very warm until you get in the way of their fun, or expect them to take responsibility for something they did wrong. The smile is gone, and they go ice cold with contempt.

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