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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    It's an overall pretty sad picture you have of ENTPs, I'd never put more value into an imaterial thing over people or for my own benefit. Quite on the contrary I tend to be always the idiot who stands up against injustice and thats a thing that makes you very alone.
    I'd agree with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    The last thing that bugged me is that you thought entps leave you no choice but to agree with them in a discussion.
    Not a discussion, but decision-making. ENTPs are "good at discussions", I'd say. But their decision-making can be seen as cold and clinical.
    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept,
    Or one could weep because another wept.

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    ENTPs:

    Pluses: (Most of these are what I have discovered after getting to know multiple ENTPs on a deeper basis rather than just the funny guy at some party wearing a lamp shade.)
    • Ne conversations are so much fun.
    • Very sweet and affectionate
    • Clever and witty
    • Pretty easygoing/flexible
    • Extremely loyal if you get into their inner circle
    • Will go to bat for you in a heartbeat if they think you need help
    • Good idea generator
    • Super creative
    • Just plain FUN to be around!
    • You can do stupid stuff with them and they will love you for it. My best friend in college was an ENTP and Coke came to our uni to give away free Surge cans (BLECH) and so we would load up on them during the day, and then throw them off bridges at night.


    Cons:
    • They. Have. No. Indoor. Voices.
    • Ne-doms can get exhausting. After awhile I feel like I am gorging on doughnuts and my Fi is screaming for some carrot sticks of solitude and seriousness.
    • Almost TOO curious at times where it can be invasive. "I said I am not in the mood to talk about this right now.... can we talk about this tomorrow?" "OMG YOU MUST TELL ME NOW!!!!!!!!!"
    • Can get hurt easily by off-hand comments (Not necessarily a Con per se... just more of a precaution)
    • They like being inappropriate at times to gauge reactions of other people, and this doesn't always go over well.
    • If they get into a paranoid/Fe loop, they can drive you insane with their need for lots of attention and affection.

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    The problem is always that what may appear to you as an offhand-comment, when it was made about me, I try to understand it and weave it into a big net of interpretation. It's a major flaw of this whole Ne apparatus, it never stops, there just no point in space and time the faculty to overinterprete would leave me alone. I am quite sure that I'll end up in the asylum before I become 50.

    The other side of the coin is tho, while entps may be increasingly sensitive to any offhand-comment, they are seldom sensitive to their own-offhand comments. Imo that defuses the whole thing a bit and shows that by the end of the day we are all human with similiar issues

    P.S.: Throwing coke cans into nature is deeply non-NF
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    The problem is always that what may appear to you as an offhand-comment, when it was made about me, I try to understand it and weave it into a big net of interpretation. It's a major flaw of this whole Ne apparatus, it never stops, there just no point in space and time the faculty to overinterprete would leave me alone. I am quite sure that I'll end up in the asylum before I become 50.

    The other side of the coin is tho, while entps may be increasingly sensitive to any offhand-comment, they are seldom sensitive to their own-offhand comments. Imo that defuses the whole thing a bit and shows that by the end of the day we are all human with similiar issues
    Haha, well the event that happened that made me think of that is this:

    I was over at a friends house and there was a small group of us watching movies. I have three friends who are brothers who are all ENTPs. Another friend who is an INTJ was drinking a bit too much and suddenly goes, "hey! *points at the ENTPs* your last name sounds like hymen!! hahahaah* The 3 ENTPs all started laughing, and the rest of us laughed as well. Then you could literally watch them get sad faced about it... slowly they stopped laughing, and got kinda frowny face/emo... The INTJ started making "I have broken you" jokes, and the ENTPs didn't laugh at all and started getting pouty and sullen. When normally they are pretty easygoing and joking about everything.

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    Well dunno what has gotten into them. Maybe there was an event in the past with their last name that wasnt so pleasant and they got reminded of it. From my experience I generally do not respond pretty well to teasing or bullieing. Jokes like that are most often done by people with a somewhat lesser intelligence and I cant really laugh about it. I dont join groups too in teasing the group nerd. On the contrary I think when they tease someone to much, I'll side with him and defend him with one quick blow in the nuts. I have the philosophy that I think, what goes around comes around and I consider teasing to be a very low form of intelligence as said. Dunnjo whats gotten into the three, wasnt that big teasing, maybe it was as said something from the past or another thing part of the big picture in that situation. When people tease me I usually laugh about it and pretend I wasnt hurt, but with really heavy teasers I tend to part ways quite quickly. I dont want to go down on their level of intelligence and to tease back. If I tho am left with no option and the guy wouldnt stop teasing me, I'd fire back. I tho never have been in that situation yet nor get I teased often by people. Being a nice guy pays off in that regards and its either that or the fact that I look frightening
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    Pros: creative, witty, fun, likes to be the center of attention, loyal, super smart, charming, confident, gregarious, can be counted on for good straight forward advice, talented, the life of the party!

    Cons: likes to debate, snatchy, impatient, can be mean, short tempered, reckless, over indulgent, egotistical, diabolical, too blunt at times.
    These descriptions fall for ENFP too, right? So what are the main differences between the two?

    I've seen many people saying that ENTP is the ideal type for INFJ. Can anyone share their experiences about this pairing?

    Yesterday I've met with an ENTJ and I felt there's no sparks nor connections after spending the weekend with him. I wonder if other INFJs also felt this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    ENTPs:
    • They. Have. No. Indoor. Voices.
    Hah - I LOL'd at this. A very accurate point.
    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept,
    Or one could weep because another wept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crescent Fresh View Post
    These descriptions fall for ENFP too, right? So what are the main differences between the two?

    I've seen many people saying that ENTP is the ideal type for INFJ. Can anyone share their experiences about this pairing?

    Yesterday I've met with an ENTJ and I felt there's no sparks nor connections after spending the weekend with him. I wonder if other INFJs also felt this way?
    I know an INFJ & ENTJ couple. They seem to be quite good together (both are friends of mine). I think the INFJ (girl) feels like she can extract the "secrect feelings" of the ENTJ, which pleases her. ENTJ is probably soppy, but is from a family of brothers, so never really shows feelings like that.
    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept,
    Or one could weep because another wept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adasta View Post
    Hah - I LOL'd at this. A very accurate point.
    Actually that's the one thing that I do disagree with.

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    i'm not loud either.

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