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    Quote Originally Posted by lane777 View Post
    And that's like saying if we're mature, we're perfect beings (not trying to come off sarcastic here). We all have faults, and I've noticed an ENTP's weaknesses to be what I outlined above. And of course the more immature, the more pronounced they will be. The more mature, the less pronounced... but I think these weaknesses are present in all strong ENTP's.
    I understand what you're saying, but I just am not sure if you could say the same weaknesses are present in all ENTPs, or all one type in general, since everyone is different. There may be overall consistencies to these faults, but at the end of the day everyone is an individual person and is not necessarily doomed to the weaknesses of their type.

    Take my ENFJ friend for example. ENFJs have a reputation for being fussy about their home environments. But his house is a complete mess. And he doesn't care. Or my ENTJ friend who doesn't enjoy giving orders. Or my ENFP friend who is always on time for appointments.

    One thing for sure though: most strong versions of a type are not aware of the fact they are that type, so they are more likely to fall into their inherent weaknesses. Self-study wins again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lane777 View Post
    I don't appreciate their lack of discipline. Which would keep me out of a relationship with one because I wouldn't stand to be mothering them all the time for their irresponsibility and immaturity which are products of that. I think this quality really keeps them from excelling in life. And that's sad, because ENTP's are incredibly capable people. And the cherry on top is thanks to their big fat ego's, they don't often admit to their faults, which keeps them from growth. Which brings us back to immaturity, which is unattractive. And reminds me of mothering. Blegh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LotsOfHeart View Post
    I understand what you're saying, but I just am not sure if you could say the same weaknesses are present in all ENTPs, or all one type in general, since everyone is different. There may be overall consistencies to these faults, but at the end of the day everyone is an individual person and is not necessarily doomed to the weaknesses of their type.

    Take my ENFJ friend for example. ENFJs have a reputation for being fussy about their home environments. But his house is a complete mess. And he doesn't care. Or my ENTJ friend who doesn't enjoy giving orders. Or my ENFP friend who is always on time for appointments.

    One thing for sure though: most strong versions of a type are not aware of the fact they are that type, so they are more likely to fall into their inherent weaknesses. Self-study wins again.
    Well, like I say... I see these weaknesses to be present in all strong ENTP's. And I didn't mean to insinuate ENTP's are doomed to their weaknesses, simply that they have them... and whether or not these weaknesses are pronounced is up to the individual. We all have the choice to self improve. That's just my take on it.

    Your ENFJ, ENTJ and ENFP friends may simply be mature or weak on their letter preferences.

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    I have probably the hardest time with ENTP's of all the mbti types. Not sure why that is. I never have any outright conflicts with them, but something in the behavior (irl- not entp descrip, or entp online for that matter) rubs me the wrong way. This is not to say that I don't think ENTP's have admireable qualities, they certainly do. But I get tired of the clown act, and I get tired of what seems to be an overwhelming need to be admired. Sometimes I just want peer eyeball to eyeball and say.. "who the fuck is really in there?" Highly intelligent, witty, charismatic, great to bounce ideas off of, but lacking in any real sense of self or values. Anyhow, I emphasize this is my experience with only a few ENTP's.. and some of these traits are probably more individual than type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqcues Le Paul View Post
    I'm a entp and I was wondering what you guys think about ENTPs....
    Which NF are you trying to impress? :P

    INFX probably tolerate you the best and even find you charming. Introverts are patient like that.

    ENFJs can handle you just fine irl and will manhandle you if you get on their bad side. Your attempt at wit and charm merely provokes more ire!

    ENFPs? My take on the ENTPs I know irl are I can see a kindred spirit in them and can go on adventures with, there's a shared rapport and zest for life. I'm like, "Ooh, play with me! "

    OR I think they are the biggest asshole and wish someone would slap that smug undeserved grin off your face. I mean...his or her face. True story. It also depends on if I have to work with you or if it's just socially. Cause if I have to work with you conflict is more unavoidable and an ENTP who thinks they are god's gift to X and are right about something (when they are clearly not) are some of the most condescending and frustrating people to work with.

    Some of you young ENTP males annoy the shit out of me because you think you are way more clever than you actually are and were never taught respect. If you were half as clever as you thought you were, I wouldn't have as much of a problem. I'm a hater, but I will give credit where credit is due. Unfortunately, this 'annoying as shit' stage usually lasts the better part of the teens and 20s. How you find dates I have no idea. Oh wait - female ENTPs and the [easily impressed] INFX with whom you have that magical bond.

    ENTPs online are a mixed bag. The younger ones can say things that make my eyes go because they are so insensitive and sometimes ridiculously clueless like "I can't wait to cheat on my first girlfriend just to experience what that feels like" or "I didn't call or answer my boyfriend's calls for a month and he flipped out, what a homo" -- and that's not even when they are TRYING to troll. You're just like "DAMN, where did your ethics/empathy button go and when does that famed 'friend winning' Fe kick in? Do you have a black hole where your heart should be?" They can often be found attempting to troll. Age and maturity make a HUGE HUGE difference in ENTPs online and my perception of them. Some of the ones online seem to love parading around going "Look at how rude and obnoxious I am! Look at me! Look at me! I'm so smart!" and no lie I just want to take out the virtual mace of virtue and knock the [rainbows and puppy dogs] out of them.

    So ENTPs pretty much fall into the camps of 'real life people I know' and 'online group persona' which are very distinct to me. I tend to get along better with ENTPs socially IRL than online. I form my own opinions of ENTPs irl on an individual case by case basis because they really do come in different flavors :P And not all or most or many ENTPs online rub me the wrong way, but the ones that do, DAMN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Maybe I shouldn't answer questions like these when I'm cranky...

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