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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    JHC, hasn't the T vs. F subject been beat into the carpet like old gum?

    Just to recap:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...-thinking.html

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...s-cold-fs.html

    This thread is perilously close to getting thrown in graveyard.
    Well, there are only 4 dichotomies to discuss in Myers-Briggs.

    It shouldn't come as a surprise that we keep talking about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Not knowing what it is, doesn't make it abstract. Abstract means not physically present.

    You could say that abstractions don't exist.

    As as far as I know, cognitively, the center of the earth is not physically present. It's a suggestion, but it's not absolute.
    Ignorance doesn't alter existence.
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    Okay, so maybe these things do exist, but we don't know what these things are like to be experienced, so it becomes an abstraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    No. It doesn't.

    If they're using logic wrong, then they're not using logic. They're using something else. I don't know what it is, but it's not logic.

    It's simple and incontrovertible. If they're wrong, it's not logical. Not that they were using logic wrong.

    There's no argument here. You're just objectifying logic which is wrong. It's not physically present. Stop trying to make it so.
    A: Your definition of logic is wrong.
    B: Logic is only a system.
    C: Systems can only produce correct outcomes if they have adequate inputs.
    D: I have never suggested that logic is "physical". It is an abstract system.

    Therefore, logic is subjective, because it is a system, and a system is only as good as the people who us it, and people are subjective entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    This is why I say ENFPs aren't rational.

    Logic isn't subjective. Perspective is.

    In fact, perspective and subjective can almost be used interchangeably.

    Logic is absolute.
    1+1 = 11

    Is true from an aesthetic standpoint.

    I enjoyed his post, because he said it was true depending on how you *looked* at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    D: I have never suggested that logic is "physical". It is an abstract system.
    Well, to that end, I can agree, but it could be used to measure abstract ideas or concrete things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Well, there are only 4 dichotomies to discuss in Myers-Briggs.

    It shouldn't come as a surprise that we keep talking about them.
    It's not that people keep talking about them, it's just that very little new information is disseminated.

    I wish people would talk more about Jungian theory or MBTI, but the best we get is this Cosmo-ish rehashing of the same arguments. People have almost used the same arguments word for word in the two threads I posted. It gets very boring.

    So yeah, heart's basically right. This topic is like Maury and paternity tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    A: Your definition of logic is wrong.
    B: Logic is only a system.
    C: Systems can only produce correct outcomes if they have adequate inputs.
    Logic is not a system. It's not like a meat grinder or something.
    D: I have never suggested that logic is "physical". It is an abstract system.

    Therefore, logic is subjective, because it is a system, and a system is only as good as the people who us it, and people are subjective entities.
    What the hell... I'm not wrong.
    You have suggested that it's physical. You can't misuse something that's abstract. If you are, then you're using something else. How can that be incorrect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    1+1 = 11

    Is true from an aesthetic standpoint.

    I enjoyed his post, because he said it was true depending on how you *looked* at it.

    *sheesh*
    If we're using the visual standpoint, then 1+1 = 1+1

    If you wanna get cute you can say "window LOL"

    Not 11. Otherwise we're using conventional mathematical terms, wherein 1 represents a conceptual or otherwise quantity.
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    Anger!!!!!

    2+2 = two and two, which is visually this: 22

    1+1 = one and one, which is visually this: 11

    3+3+3 = three and three and three, which is visually this: 333

    1+2 = one and two, which is visually this: 12

    5+4+6= five and four and six, which is visually this: 546


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