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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    I can absolutely be both rational in my thoughts and idealistic in my hopes, thank you very much.
    True. Should not confuse a rational person with the MBTI rational label. "Rational" in the MBTI sense is just the label Keisey happened to think was appropriate for people high on the N and T scale. It's very possible for someone who is on the F/T border to have the temperament (hardware) of an ENFP, but some of the characteristics of a "Rational". They would have developed that character within the framework of their temperament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    ENFP are idealists, not rationals. ENFP's are one of the NF types. All NF's are Idealists, therefore ENFP's are Idealists. Idealists are not Rationals, therefore ENFP's are not Rationals.

    Of course, that doesn't mean they can't use logic.
    I would have understood your joke had you left out your first sentence, if you were, or are, in fact joking, which I think you were/are.

    But yet again, one can easily be a rational idealist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    True. Should not confuse a rational person with the MBTI rational label.


    I thought she was referring to the label, not to the normal definition. I thought she was claiming to be a Rational, not simply saying that she was rational in the dictionary sense. I tend to assume the former definition because this is an MBTI forum.

    Sorry I didn't get what you meant until now, CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    It's not that people keep talking about them, it's just that very little new information is disseminated.

    I wish people would talk more about Jungian theory or MBTI, but the best we get is this Cosmo-ish rehashing of the same arguments. People have almost used the same arguments word for word in the two threads I posted. It gets very boring.

    So yeah, heart's basically right. This topic is like Maury and paternity tests.
    Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

    Well, yeah. I think we've covered the "type is not the person, just tendencies" "the map is not the teritory" points several times.

    I think CC was voicing a frustration that seems to come up a lot.
    I think it stems from a frustration of being pigeonholed or sterotyped.

    The same way we don't like it when all Asians are stereotyped as bad drivers (even thought I am both Asian and a bad driver).

    It is so formulaic, that even I notice it.

    People will often just say,
    All <insert category here> are not <insert steroetype here>!
    What do we really have to say about this?
    Affirmative statements with "all," or "never" in it tend to be false-- An emperical observation of mine.

    Since this particular set of stereotypes comes from a theory that people on the forum are familiar with and are studying. We set off another formulaic reaction:

    But there is some truth in <the theory I am studying/exploring>.

    I think the seed emotion for this statement is the feeling of not wanting to have wasted a lot of time. So in a way, we are defending our stake in the time invested.

    So then we have this battle:
    "I don't want to be stereotyped" vs. "My time spent was worthwhile."

    We see it in a lot of hot button topics on this forum, not just in personality types, but also IQ and other theories/philosophies.

    Anyway, hopefully that was a somewhat novel point to a very tired topic.
    (I am not holding my breath, though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post


    I thought she was referring to the label, not to the normal definition. I thought she was claiming to be a Rational, not simply saying that she was rational in the dictionary sense. I tend to assume the former definition because this is an MBTI forum.

    Sorry I didn't get what you meant until now, CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    That's my point. It's a myth just like global warming.
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    Are smart people more rational than dumb people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Are smart people more rational than dumb people?
    I dunno, are they?

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    Sorry to butt in here, but it depend on what you mean by logical. I would say ENFPs are much more characterized by their intuition which they can mistake for logic.

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