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    Default ENFPs Who Relate Somewhat to the Keirsey Artisan (SP) Description

    So I recently decided to actually read Please Understand Me II and I found that Keirsey's work, as a whole, makes more sense in the context of the actual book rather than the shitty on-line summaries and interpretations.

    However, I found his division of the temperaments far too extreme, he made NFs all sound like a bunch of social workers nervously avoiding confrontation, and while I relate to the NF Idealist temperament more than the other three, SP Artisan was a surprisingly close second...I mean really close...I related more to their need for audacity, valuing of generosity, and other things.

    The reason why I find this annoying is because Keirsey acts like the NF Idealist temperament opposes the SP Artisan temperament, and that they're more like NTs and SJs. In my individual case, that's the furthest from the truth...I'm much more like an SP than NT or SJ.

    I posted this on another forum as well, but I wanted to also read responses here, because while Keirsey has some decent basic ideas, his theory seems wildly flawed to me because he makes the temperaments so extremely divided that they're caricatures...and while some people might be *very* NF or *very* SJ, I'm suspecting that most people might be more of a blend of at least two of the four temperaments.

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    I think ENFPs are the most SP-ish of the NFs... Ne can be crazily similar to Se in that regard, or so I hear.

    Jack Falt also has proposed temperament "blends", with SP/NF being the Sunburst.

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    i feel like i'm more fp then nj as far as being pretty chill and all that. i think i relate more to the isfp fi then the "n" ness i guess of inxj...not sure if that's what you are saying and i feel pretty n but i feel even more p...actually i relate more to xntps than xnxj

    does that make any sense? i'm sooo tired for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i feel like i'm more fp then nj as far as being pretty chill and all that. i think i relate more to the isfp fi then the "n" ness i guess of inxj...not sure if that's what you are saying and i feel pretty n but i feel even more p...actually i relate more to xntps than xnxj

    does that make any sense? i'm sooo tired for some reason.
    Yes, I feel closer to being xSFP than xNFJ, but I didn't realize how much so until I read Please Understand Me II.

    It's less about being borderline S/N in the four dichotomies and more about the four seperate temperaments.

    SPs are actually painted as being more assertive and reactive, in fact an NF it seems would be more "chill." I am just totally unscheduled and resist structure, which is why I am hardly J at all. I mean seriously, when I really read Keirsey's definition of Judging I was like "whoa that's not me at all." I'm like a floaty, slacker, barefoot, procrastinating, changeable, adaptable, sometimes unpredictable person.

    Having strong opinions doesn't make someone a J, in fact a lot of my personality traits seemed right on target with Keirsey's ENFP description, with maybe a little bit of INFP, ESFP, and ISFP here and there. I'd say those are my top four most similar types, then INFJ would be behind all of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I think ENFPs are the most SP-ish of the NFs... Ne can be crazily similar to Se in that regard, or so I hear.

    Jack Falt also has proposed temperament "blends", with SP/NF being the Sunburst.
    i've never seen that. i relate a whole lot to whatever that was.
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    The Sunburst sounds almost exactly like me. Especially all of this:

    This energy can burst forth at just the right time, but sometimes it can come at inappropriate times as well.

    The combination of the desire for freedom of the Orange and the need for meaning and significance of the Blue gives them the energy to be creative, full of fantasy, with fiery feelings and a desire to experiment. They need to relate to the people they work with or for. They find a lot of personal satisfaction in their encounters even if they are only momentary. They have a lot of physical energy and need to keep on the move, but they do it with sensitivity.

    A key emotion for Sunbursts is love. Their love is expressed in all their relationships — clients, coworkers, friends, family, and particularly in their most intimate relationships. Their sexuality is an expression of this love. They express their love with nthusiasm.

    Everyone needs some down time, and if they do not take a break now and then, they can become depressed. Taking some “me” time usually brings them back to their old bubbly self.

    Not all of their feelings are bright and sunny. They have negative feelings too, and these tend to be very strong. They can get angriest at the ones they love the most. A cooling off time is very beneficial. Often the anger is based on a misunderstanding. Being able to examine the problem objectively can often bring resolution. Making up can be just as passionate.

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    I just had someone else take the color temperament quiz and he came out SJ/NF (types normally as SJ).

    I have a feeling that this is probably highly common, I really do, because some NFs seem almost NT-ish to me, blah blah blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I just had someone else take the color temperament quiz and he came out SJ/NF (types normally as SJ).

    I have a feeling that this is probably highly common, I really do, because some NFs seem almost NT-ish to me, blah blah blah.
    IMHO, ENFJs are the most SJ-ish of the NFs, while INFJs are the most NT-ish. That's my pet theory, anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I just had someone else take the color temperament quiz and he came out SJ/NF (types normally as SJ).

    I have a feeling that this is probably highly common, I really do, because some NFs seem almost NT-ish to me, blah blah blah.
    what are you talking about? what quiz? did the sunburst thing have a quiz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    IMHO, ENFJs are the most SJ-ish of the NFs, while INFJs are the most NT-ish. That's my pet theory, anyway...
    yeah totally..
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