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    Quote Originally Posted by Electric View Post
    The thing about ENFPs that cracks me up is how they try to CONTROL you by being nice. Sure, they are popular and innocently looking to any stranger. They may be accepting of a person's authentic self. They may even give anyone free rides. However, all this is a front they use to exploit people to the wiles of their self centered influence. Yeah, those free rides they give you aren't actually "free". Like the ENTPs who have the best bullshitting skills, ENFPs have a less exact, but equally dangerous power to get what they want through calculating people's emotions. Well, that's quite an overstatment, but is it? How do I know this? I'm an ENTJ with a close ENFP friend and I think that's good perspective there.

    As an ENTJ whose suppose to have supreme "leadership" skills, the ENFP would be equal in a certain way. While the ENTJ's leadership is built on securing the future for everyone, the ENFP's leadership is built on something unknown, probably sinister. With their popularity and cult leader likeness, they will manipulate people towards their desires. This is comparable to the ESFP who wants everyone to like them and directly dominates any special event. The ENFP is much more discreet and furtive. This is more dangerous than the ENTJ's direct seizure for control IMO. Think about Lex and Lionel Luther. Lionel Luther was a dangerous man, but Lex was even more so. Why? Lex was much more secretive and did not give warnings before he attacked.

    Disclaimer: This only applies to bad enfps. bad=almost all
    lol...sounds like you had a bad experience with an ENFP?

    So im curious.....plz tell me more about how evil they are? seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    lol...sounds like you had a bad experience with an ENFP?

    So im curious.....plz tell me more about how evil they are? seriously.
    Meh, I was playing devil's advocate in this ENFP worship thread. I actually get along fine with my ENFP friend who I mentioned in an earlier post. I'm not saying that ENFPs are truly evil, but just playing on the thought of their dark side which is hilarious IMO. Especially with my friend, she playfully backstabs me sometimes to try to anger me. I'm not sure if this a universal ENFP trait thing, but this is a tool she uses to build intimacy.

    Since the ENFP's dual partner is the ISTP, I would think this backstabbing quality is a natural relationship dynamic. The ISTP who can get unjustifiably furious sometimes realizes who he loves the most after he finishes his anger tantrum. After all, people tend to value someone for their positives after they have taken an absolutely negative perspective on their mate. This is what the dual ENFP provides in massive quantities for the ISTP.


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    I treat any friend I'm attracted to as a .5-lover, so yes, I know, it's all my fault. But I can't help it! I've been called spoiled, but I really do require a significant level of intimacy with anyone who desires my friendship. I dunno why. I'm scared, I guess - scared of being alone. Yeah, people fall for me, but it usually doesn't mean anything. I just exhibit the qualities they'd like in someone else, and after awhile, they find that someone. That's the way it goes. I always end up feeling like a substitute. Again, my fault for being a Jill-of-all-trades/chameleon, empathetic and willing to take in strays, but for once I'd like to feel wanted for what I am (even though ENFPs are basically born with identity disorders) instead of "the one that got away" or an illusory time machine! I swear people see the ghosts of their mistakes and losses in me. And of course, time and time again, I put myself in that situation because I'm emotionally needy.

    Well, I've weaved a depressing maelstrom and am going to go cry now. *sulks away*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electric View Post
    Meh, I was playing devil's advocate in this ENFP worship thread. I actually get along fine with my ENFP friend who I mentioned in an earlier post. I'm not saying that ENFPs are truly evil, but just playing on the thought of their dark side which is hilarious IMO. Especially with my friend, she playfully backstabs me sometimes to try to anger me. I'm not sure if this a universal ENFP trait thing, but this is a tool she uses to build intimacy.

    Since the ENFP's dual partner is the ISTP, I would think this backstabbing quality is a natural relationship dynamic. The ISTP who can get unjustifiably furious sometimes realizes who he loves the most after he finishes his anger tantrum. After all, people tend to value someone for their positives after they have taken an absolutely negative perspective on their mate. This is what the dual ENFP provides in massive quantities for the ISTP.

    Hey relax...i was only pulling ur leg Or as u say "playing my dark side"
    But yeh i get ya....strong emotions are a way for ENFPs to get close to someone.
    Thanks for feedback though

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    People seem to think that being an ENFP is all about this

    But it is more like this,

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    Im a month late on this but i just wanted to say im glad im not the only one who feels like this... ahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirtyshackles View Post
    I treat any friend I'm attracted to as a .5-lover, so yes, I know, it's all my fault. But I can't help it! I've been called spoiled, but I really do require a significant level of intimacy with anyone who desires my friendship. I dunno why. I'm scared, I guess - scared of being alone. Yeah, people fall for me, but it usually doesn't mean anything. I just exhibit the qualities they'd like in someone else, and after awhile, they find that someone. That's the way it goes. I always end up feeling like a substitute. Again, my fault for being a Jill-of-all-trades/chameleon, empathetic and willing to take in strays, but for once I'd like to feel wanted for what I am (even though ENFPs are basically born with identity disorders) instead of "the one that got away" or an illusory time machine! I swear people see the ghosts of their mistakes and losses in me. And of course, time and time again, I put myself in that situation because I'm emotionally needy.

    Well, I've weaved a depressing maelstrom and am going to go cry now. *sulks away*
    Hon, do I ever know how you feel!! I can honestly say I have never been loved in my entire life for who I was, only for what someone else wanted me to be. I have literally been filling in the blanks for someone else, and it has never been right. A human crossword puzzle. Only I don't think there are any right answers..... It is really pathetic when I stop and think about it. You can come over and bawl your eyes out with me anytime.

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    damn and all this time i just thought i needed to "man up"... hrmph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle View Post
    Im a month late on this but i just wanted to say im glad im not the only one who feels like this... ahaha
    Much love for my ENFPeeps!!! Welcome!

    Nice username by the way. Life can be just that, a never ending battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by thirtyshackles View Post
    I treat any friend I'm attracted to as a .5-lover, so yes, I know, it's all my fault. But I can't help it! I've been called spoiled, but I really do require a significant level of intimacy with anyone who desires my friendship. I dunno why.
    I seek intimacy in all of my relationships, both platonic and romantic. Heck, I even seek intimacy in casual impromptu relationships, and in fact I think it is safe to say that I seek intimacy, period.

    I want to get to know people as authentically as I possibly can. And I think this is a salient feature of us ENFPs in general, no?

    So yeah, craving/seeking/needing intimacy is *not* a bad thing, on the contrary, it's actually a beautiful thing. In fact, I think this drive in us acts as a contributing factor to our popularity. People feel close to us because they feel/know they can confide in us.

    Quote Originally Posted by thirtyshackles View Post
    Yeah, people fall for me, but it usually doesn't mean anything. I just exhibit the qualities they'd like in someone else, and after awhile, they find that someone. That's the way it goes. I always end up feeling like a substitute.
    My guess is that you don't really value, and or love yourself and to validate this belief, you subconsciously seek out people who don't/won't value you, which will then lead you to feel justified in feeling unworthy of being loved.

    Ultimately, you must learn to love and value yourself. After all, you will be living with yourself till the day you die, and because love feels better than hate, appreciation feels better than neglect, and joy feels better than pain, by loving, appreciating, and enjoying yourself you'll ensure a much more desirable living arrangement!

    Quote Originally Posted by thirtyshackles View Post
    I put myself in that situation because I'm emotionally needy.
    You can't rely on others to be the makers or breakers of your happiness. Self-reliance is a beautiful thing. It is empowering, and is perhaps the most profitable investment you'll ever make.

    Quote Originally Posted by thirtyshackles View Post
    I'm scared, I guess - scared of being
    alone.
    You are alone. But you needn't be lonely. There is much love and comfort to be found both in solitude as well as in honest company.

    Know yourself, accept yourself, love yourself!



    Quote Originally Posted by illume View Post
    I can honestly say I have never been loved in my entire life for who I was, only for what someone else wanted me to be.
    This is awful, see above suggestions.
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle View Post
    damn and all this time i just thought i needed to "man up"... hrmph
    Ha, man up? I cant seem to "man down"! Its like every chance I get to test the alpha male theory I do, and then things tend to happen that I dont exactly regret but due to have definitely grown a reputation for. This isnt even a "possible" thing, its definite. If I go to a party or a social gathering of any sort im just compelled to challenge others territory and to see how far i can assert my authority. This I think Is why I attract females on such a regular basis, I just cant help but feel superior around other men (other than Brothers of course). This like I said tends to get me into a lot of trouble and its very hard to seek out a serious relationship when im known for doing this.

    I wish they had like testosterone donations that you could go in for and get paid for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle View Post
    damn and all this time i just thought i needed to "man up"... hrmph
    I don't get it, please explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexist View Post
    Ha, man up? I cant seem to "man down"! Its like every chance I get to test the alpha male theory I do, and then things tend to happen that I dont exactly regret but due to have definitely grown a reputation for. This isnt even a "possible" thing, its definite. If I go to a party or a social gathering of any sort im just compelled to challenge others territory and to see how far i can assert my authority. This I think Is why I attract females on such a regular basis, I just cant help but feel superior around other men (other than Brothers of course). This like I said tends to get me into a lot of trouble and its very hard to seek out a serious relationship when im known for doing this.

    I wish they had like testosterone donations that you could go in for and get paid for it.
    :rolli:
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