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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Ness View Post
    On the NT subforum a while ago I read the thread "What do you really think of feelers?" The most interesting post was someone saying that making a lifestyle out of Feeling and doing everything based on what you feel seemed super selfish to him. An NT, calling NFs selfish! Isn't it "supposed" to be the other way around? Well, so much for the stereotype that thinkers are coldhearted bastards, right?
    This view stems from the idea that Feeling is emotional desire. If those NTs grasped that Feeling is a form of reasoning as rational as Thinking, then they might alter their reasons for disliking it. They might still dislike it, but they might analyze their distaste a bit deeper.

    On a side note, people seem to forget that ALL the functions are "thinking". If you use Se, then you're thinking. If you use Fi, then you're thinking. They're simply different types of thinking.
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    Fi = is it good or bad?

    When value decisions run someone's life, they can be detrimental since Fi isn't a flexy function. Reliant on what other functions offset Fi or extrovert its rigidity, where it sits in function order and how healthy Fi is, will determine how Fi is perceived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Ness View Post
    The #1 way to not be taken seriously on online forums.
    Maybe to ageist pricks, from whom I can learn nothing from anyway.

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    While I still disagree with you, Negative Zero, that Fi (or being INFP, for that matter) is a "useless" function IRL - since you'd need to seriously qualify what you mean by the term "useless" - I do agree that ethics as a field of study is certainly not the exclusive province of Fi. Nor is personal moral behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Come on people. Fi is the most genuine, creative, gentle, artistic and exotic of all the functions. why the haterz gotta hate? FPs for the win!
    Fi is the counterpole of linear logic.
    It is the least useful function.

    Everyone does not hate on Fi.
    Fi does not hate on everyone.

    Use has limits.
    So has vanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    While I still disagree with you, Negative Zero, that Fi (or being INFP, for that matter) is a "useless" function IRL - since you'd need to seriously qualify what you mean by the term "useless" - I do agree that ethics as a field of study is certainly not the exclusive province of Fi. Nor is personal moral behavior.
    I'm glad we agree there. And I think useless was a bit harsh and more than a little biased. Just like the other functions, it has a time and place and can be used for elements of everyday life.
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    The thing about Fi irl is..Unless you can use it at a level that is exquisite, it's rarely appreciated and more scorned than other functions, or that's how it feels. Art, one of the common tools for Fi to surface, is often mocked for being useless waste of time and something 'everyone can do if they had the time', UNLESS it's so breathtakingly beautiful it actually succeeds in inspiring people with awe. The same thing is true for writing, or performance pieces. Even in 'regular' jobs that do get respect for being an actual job instead of 'artist', the fact that Fi takes time to conceptualize and execute, and doesn't take work under pressure or in competition isn't really appreciated. In fact, competition is often used to rush things, and the finished product is often still commercialized, ruining the creators vision in the process.

    So if you use Fi at an average level, you get labelled lazy, time-wasting, attention whore, idealist and builder of mirages that won't amount to anything, needlessly sensitive, foolishly emo, etc. Practising it is therefore really really tough in order to reach the level that actually is appreciated for all. If you are somewhat good at it, and you make a commercial living using it, your visions often get butchered to fit the company. And if you get to that level where no one dare touch it coz it's that good, you will *still* get heinous comments about how you're a fake and just doing it for the attention.

    Just think of a guy in high school writing poetry vs Shakespeare himself

    One's a master, and dead (that always helps your art as you cannot speak badly about the deceased), and the other gets mocked and teased relentlessly if his craft is ever exposed. How is he ever to get the feedback he needs and the determination to keep going when society mocks him for even daring to go there?

    Probably this is true for other functions as well, but it sure seems like Fi is the black sheep of functions and gets bullied a lot by the others
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    I see Fi is responsible for persecution complexes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I see Fi is responsible for persecution complexes.
    Dude, you got some issues

    Alright I jest, but could you explain your theory regarding this in depth. I'm intrigued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    But okay, seriously. Fi. Hmm. Let's look at what Fi is. So basically Fi is knowing what you want, what you believe, and what is important for you. So I think the more appropriate question is:

    HOW can you succeed WITHOUT it???

    Rather than questioning what the good of it is....I'd say let's look beyond the surface and grasp what it means in the greater scheme of things. I would posit that it's absolutely essential to have Fi in order to have your feet on the ground, know what you want, and sift out what's important from what is trivial.
    Yeah, it's a way of prioritizing data to, in a sense, honor the self. And there are some aspects of living that seem unquantifiable/unimportant to T perspectives that, if ignored, still leave an individual personally unhappy and have to be resolved somehow... even if one cannot justify one's needs from a rational perspective to the people.

    I can't say I'm its biggest fan, but I see its value depending on the circumstance.
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