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    Where are the cute animal sacrifices, dammit? Am I the only one around here who cares about standards?!

    What is the world coming to...

    I'm kidding. Kinda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    What does an INFP-INFP friendship usually look like? Are INFP's attracted to each other?
    One of my two best friends from college is an INFP. He kind of out-INFPs me as far as being more introverted and more feeling than I am. Getting him to talk about things can be like trying to get blood from a turnip; he requires a lot of hanging out time before he feels sufficiently in-sync to share (that's a quality I have, too, but he turns it up to eleven). He also doesn't have the same technical bent that I do, which occasionally surprises me. He can be frustratingly passive about things, which is a shock to see it from the other side — I'm not exactly an aggressive go-getter in many respects.

    On the other hand, we tend to naturally give each other plenty of space, not worry when we fall out of touch and to be very flexible about adjusting to unexpected changes. It can be a bit of an uphill battle to plan or do things, but we tend to be very accommodating and understanding. I know he will always give me the benefit of a doubt and meet me where I am, friendship-wise. There's also a sense of easy communication when we do finally talk about matters of import. We both have a similar sense of that constitutes "important," even if our lives are fairly different.

    I can't say I've ever been particularly attracted to or dated anyone I know is an INFP. I would imagine aspects would be great and aspects would be highly irritating. In some ways, it would be similar to life with my partner who leads with Si and Ti (yes, that doesn't fit the model). I usually end up having to be the practical and organized one, which continues to be a stretch for me. In some cases, practical things don't get done in a timely fashion.

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    On the topic of INFP-INFP relationships, it really depends on enneagram.

    INFP's are often unable to meet the needs of other INFP's because they are not built to do so.

    Also with any relationship consisting of one type of cognition, you get the strengths of that cognition but also the weaknesses. There is no alternate cognition to help counterbalance the weaknesses and strengths.

    anyhoo, i hope this doesn't derail the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    One of my two best friends from college is an INFP. He kind of out-INFPs me as far as being more introverted and more feeling than I am. Getting him to talk about things can be like trying to get blood from a turnip; he requires a long of hanging out time before he feels sufficiently in-sync to share (that's a quality I have, too, but he turns it up to eleven). He also doesn't have the same technical bent that I do, which occasionally surprises me. He can be frustratingly passive about things, which is a shock to see it from the other side — I'm not exactly an aggressive go-getter in many respects.

    On the other hand, we tend to naturally give each other plenty of space, not worry when we fall out of touch and to be very flexible about adjusting to unexpected changes. It can be a bit of an uphill battle to plan or do things, but we tend to be very accommodating and understanding. I know he will always give me the benefit of a doubt and meet me where I am, friendship-wise. There's also a sense of easy communication when we do finally talk about matters of import. We both have a similar sense of that constitutes "important," even if our lives are fairly different.

    I can't say I've ever been particularly attracted to or dated anyone I know is an INFP. I would imagine aspects would be great and aspects would be highly irritating. In some ways, it would be similar to life with my partner who leads with Si and Ti (yes, that doesn't fit the model). I usually end up having to be the practical and organized one, which continues to be a stretch for me. In some cases, practical things don't get done in a timely fashion.
    This is actually what I feel like I experience. I say I am an extravert, but I doubt it at times. This all rings true, but the most interesting aspect is the "not being together for a while and the friendship being unaffected" this is exactly right. Hm, interesting. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I usually end up having to be the practical and organized one, which continues to be a stretch for me. In some cases, practical things don't get done in a timely fashion.
    yeahh, that a significant factor in why my relationship with a really lovely INFP ended. i think he was INFP 9w8... cute, gently humorous, lazy. we played video games and laid around and cuddled and talked. and that was sort of our relationship. it was still one of the best summers (and so classically teenage) that i've ever had, but come the end of summer, i was ready to see the relationship fade. i don't know how he felt about it, really. but he never came after me, so i'm assuming he didn't feel like it was worth the effort, either. it was a good summer thing.

    since then i've been sticking to relationships with Js... seems to work better, lol...


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    Hey INFPs. Imagine you are a leader and you have to decide the destiny of a serial killer. He killed more than 30 people and he had pleasure doing that.
    Do you think he should remain alive, serving a life sentence? Does he have the right to kill as much as he can and remain alive, sponsored by the society for the rest of his life?
    Do you think he should have another chance in the future, even if that means putting people in danger?
    Do you consider that he never asked to be born a psychopath ?

    I know that is a hard spot to be in, and that's exactly the point. I just want to see how Fi judgement works on a tough situation, so don't worry about sounding too idealistic or even illogical, just be honest.

    It's been a while since the last offer. Here it is!
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    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Hey INFPs. Imagine you are a leader and you have to decide the destiny of a serial killer. He killed more than 30 people and he had pleasure doing that.
    Do you think he should remain alive, serving a life sentence? Does he have the right to kill as much as he can and remain alive, sponsored by the society for the rest of his life?
    Do you think he should have another chance in the future, even if that means putting people in danger?
    Do you consider that he never asked to be born a psychopath ?
    I would focus on why the society is such that this sort of a person is produced. Even if he is born a psychopath, there is something in the society which makes killing a good option. If I've understood correctly, psychopaths do things for personal gain. So, by killing they gain something. We should have a society in which even a psychopath would benefit the whole. If this sort of a society is to be built, the killer must be kept alive to make the point that we must try to see the possibility of his reintegration to the general population. By not seeing this option, we also deny the possibility of a better society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
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    I've read or watched about many serial killers.

    Are you a serial killer? Just asking. If not, why do you ask about serial killers in such a way?

    Some people should be killed. Document them. Study them. Maybe try to heal them or fix them. But I think life imprisonment or death is best.

    There's the scene in Con Air where the serial killer escapes, but he doesn't kill the little girl. Then later, he's playing at the Casino. He got "cured", and now he's living the good life. I really like that aspect. Also, I've read some of the books or watched the movies with Hannibal Lector. I wish him the best. His actions seem like he's doing people a public service.

    Yet, these are fictions. I think it would be nice to sprinkle myself with fairy dust and fly, but I don't pour fairy dust on, and then jump out the window. No real serial killer would cut off his own hand to save the hand of a woman. I'm not sure they can be "cured."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    Are you a serial killer? Just asking.
    No. And if i were i wouldn't tell.
    If not, why do you ask about serial killers in such a way?
    To test you. I purposely inserted a bunch of moral dilemmas to see how/if Fi can undermine the ability to come up with an ''efficient'' solution. I really like INFPs but I'm still trying to understand Fi.
    Some people should be killed. Document them. Study them. Maybe try to heal them or fix them. But I think life imprisonment or death is best.
    I like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Hey INFPs. Imagine you are a leader and you have to decide the destiny of a serial killer. He killed more than 30 people and he had pleasure doing that.

    Do you think he should remain alive, serving a life sentence?
    Yes. I don't believe anyone deserves death, and even if I did, I certainly don't think governments could ever be trusted to dole it out. To be honest, I have many more 'logical' arguments against the death penalty but I fear it will turn into a rant if I list them all

    Does he have the right to kill as much as he can and remain alive, sponsored by the society for the rest of his life?
    Certainly not. It is a fair point to say he could still be a danger to other inmates but they could be just as much of a danger to him. Prison is an imperfect but necessary system. Anyway, its not like everyone doesn't know the dangers of prison life when they commit crimes.

    Do you think he should have another chance in the future, even if that means putting people in danger?
    No. Killing more than once and in a calculated manner demonstrates that he can't ever be trusted or changed. Besides, while I believe in the importance of rehabilitation, he needs to be sufficiently punished for the totality of his crimes - he needs to be imprisoned for life. Without real consequences for our actions there is no real justice.

    Do you consider that he never asked to be born a psychopath ?
    Not really. Its a contributing factor as to why he killed, not an excuse or justification. There are plenty of psychopaths out there that don't kill. If you understand the difference between right and wrong, and the consequences of your actions (both of which psychopaths do), you can and will be held accountable for them.
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