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    Sugar Hiccup OrangeAppled's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I think a bad INFP would be making more of a stir in their environment. If only because it isn't their usual behavior to do that. Interestingly, speaking of professors, there's an example in Naomi Quenk's book about an INFP professor who filled his department with dread (I'm not sure how exactly, but it basically illustrated that he appeared like an undeveloped ETJ). It wasn't secretive in his case. That story loosely reminded me of the kind of extreme I've gone through at one point (I was young and puberty didn't help either..so that isn't type related, I guess). There were a couple of years when I had some negative effect on people. To the point that some had "heard stories" - stories that were total lies. Like my bad side was convincing enough to have a life of it's own. Let alone be bad in it's own right. Fortunately, I grew out of it, but that period wasn't really a secret in my case either.

    The way I see it also depends on environment. In some environments, Te may operate more impersonally or more brash than what others experienced in their environments. So you take in what you've seen of it. It could be a stark, "This is simply how the world works" brand of utility. It can be offensive (in our minds), and we shut it out or don't recognize it's positives until later in life. We see it in it's negative manifestations. Yet, if we fall back on it, we express it in the very negative ways that we view it.. or were affected by. I was not surprised after I read Quenk's book that IFPs kind of sounded like they had the most cynical and mean expression of their shadow:

    An INFP becomes "More intense. I tend to lash out at people with great anger. I am blaming and accusatory. I get vicious 'Ben Hur'-type images with a lot of violent action. I feel cold, intolerant, uncaring, rigid, straitjacketed, focused.." "I snap at people and don't care about their reactions to this. I criticize people, especially about their incompetence. I generalize this to thinking that the whole world is incompetent and has screwed up values, and I stop caring about my own values," explained another INFP.
    I see what you're saying & don't disagree....but would you agree that in the INFP's mind, their behavior is not overt or disruptive, so that they may not see or grasp why others view them as "evil"? They likely just feel reactive, and truly may be reactive, even if it seems they are on the offense because their reaction is an over-reaction & so it's hard to even spot the source of agitation. In that sense, their feeling is secret. To the INFP, they are just reacting & don't see that others don't see what it is they are reacting to, & so they don't make it known.

    I even think the "more intense" description (which I can relate to in my bad times ) is something like a bad attitude & reactive lashing out, not pro-active steamrolling.
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    It depends on what's at stake, I think. I don't think it's necessarily type related, but I'd agree that lashing out isn't something they want to do or would instantly recourse to. Definitely not as a way of life or something.

    Secondly, bad experiences or lessons would teach someone to not keep things inside for very long either.. It's not creative to repeat a mistake. And in some cases, passivity or holding things inside is not ideal. It's a mistake. I think at moments an INFP is going to draw upon at least wit to shine and overcome some frustrations.. but if backed in a corner, they could overreact too. I think all Ne types aren't adept enough with the kind of clear/directness of Se that they may feed back with over the top/jerky versions of it at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Secondly, bad experiences or lessons would teach someone to not keep things inside for very long either.. It's not creative to repeat a mistake. And in some cases, passivity or holding things inside is not ideal. It's a mistake. I think at moments an INFP is going to draw upon at least wit to shine and overcome some frustrations.. but if backed in a corner, they could overreact too. I think all Ne types aren't adept enough with the kind of clear/directness of Se that they may feed back with over the top/jerky versions of it at times.
    Yeah that's true. As I get older I'm more inclined to take a more active, outspoken approach. There's been too many times when I've been treated like crap and I stood there and took it, then later regretted it.
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    Dear INFPs,

    Please tell me about the best gifts you ever received. What made them so special? Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    Dear INFPs,

    Please tell me about the best gifts you ever received. What made them so special? Thanks in advance.
    The best gift I ever received was a bundle: DVD of David Lynch's Dune, Psychological Types, and a few other things. In fact it was a series of gifts. It was special to me because it was the first time in my life I felt as though someone had tailored something to me personally with little impetus from me. I felt loved and within arm's reach of the other person. I felt familiar. Unfortunately, it was likely the case that the lack of impetus from me was the impetus.

    The second most cherished gift I received was a jar of mayonnaise for my 16th birthday. I hated mayonnaise, but it was so bizarre that it managed to let down the draw bridge. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    It depends on what's at stake, I think. I don't think it's necessarily type related, but I'd agree that lashing out isn't something they want to do or would instantly recourse to. Definitely not as a way of life or something.

    Secondly, bad experiences or lessons would teach someone to not keep things inside for very long either.. It's not creative to repeat a mistake. And in some cases, passivity or holding things inside is not ideal. It's a mistake. I think at moments an INFP is going to draw upon at least wit to shine and overcome some frustrations.. but if backed in a corner, they could overreact too. I think all Ne types aren't adept enough with the kind of clear/directness of Se that they may feed back with over the top/jerky versions of it at times.
    But what you're describing here is mostly positive behavior. We were discussing evil INFPs, not assertive, emotionally healthy INFPs standing up for valid reasons. An INFP villain is either going to be passively evil or overreact in some self-righteous way, IMO. The latter is not very entertaining or effective as painting a character as evil, as it's often too easy to sympathize with.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    Dear INFPs,

    Please tell me about the best gifts you ever received. What made them so special? Thanks in advance.
    A car when I graduated HS. Hey, it was my first car; hard to beat that.

    My ISFJ mom bought me 5 lbs weights once, which was mainly cool because she remembered a random, passing comment I made about wanting some weights. I've noticed ISFJs can be really good about remembering those little comments when it comes to gifts.

    An ENFJ family friend bought me the dishes I really wanted for a housewarming gift when I first ventured out onto my own. I love when people stick to the registry/wishlist - I signed up for those items for a reason, cuz I want 'em!

    I can't think of too many other gifts that have stuck with me as "special". I like useful stuff honestly, as the fun stuff is hard to buy for me. My bf once bought me flowers & new dish towels in a variety of colors, which was sweet because I needed them & he knows I like bright colors. I have very specific taste when it comes to music, clothes, books, etc, though.... you'd have to know me really well & know what I have already, or really pay attention to my offhand comments. The only people who usually do that successfully are my mom & sister because they've known me my whole life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    But what you're describing here is mostly positive behavior. We were discussing evil INFPs, not assertive, emotionally healthy INFPs standing up for valid reasons. An INFP villain is either going to be passively evil or overreact in some self-righteous way, IMO. The latter is not very entertaining or effective as painting a character as evil, as it's often too easy to sympathize with.
    I totally forgot we were talking about villains..

    I sent you a rep, but I thought I'd express a point I made to you out in the open..

    I don't think I'm alone in this, but I think our usual idea of villainy is probably removed from the norm. It's come to my attention that an INFP can feel like a villain for things that no one seemingly cares about. Some of us may be so ideal that you never see them stir up a situation at all. I sometimes feel bad or at least second guess myself even for standing up for good reasons sometimes.. Especially whether I'm doing it in the right way or if I took the ideal approach. Even when people who care tell me it's cool or think I'm being hard on myself. I also dislike it if friends reminisce too much and emphasize these episodes about me. I don't think it's that great. Sometimes I don't think they see the big picture. And then sometimes, I think I'm making too much of it.

    Anyhow, with all this mind, yeah, I doubt you'll see many INFP villains.

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    Moar cute pictures!!!
    I want some squee!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalViolet View Post
    Moar cute pictures!!!
    I want some squee!
    I don't know about squee-worthy (I'm not so good with squee) but:



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