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    I have a question lady INFP's...
    so it's about a girl...it's always a girl *sigh*
    This patience thing...how patient do i have to be with an infp (romantically)?
    I met a lovely infp girl, she's just a bit umm... slow to respond...is this normal?
    Do you girls needs lots of time to plan meeting someone for the second time? And do you blow hot and cold or does it just appear so?
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    If a story is trying to uphold some ideals, then even your most depressed INFPs are still Mary Sues. Maybe Louis from Interview With a Vampire. I think, realistically speaking, evil ones are somewhere in between.

    LOUIS! Yeah, there you go! Yes.

    But look at the miserable bloke. He's the most pathetic, whiny, lame-butt villain you run across. In fact, he's referred to as "the vampire with a conscience" and "rat eater" (because he can't stand to kill a human) and all the other badass vampires make fun of him... unless he kicks their butt after what they do to Claudia.

    IOW, he's a tortured hero. He refuses to do evil, and finally he reacts to evil with vengeance for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    What does an evil INFP look like?
    Fiction has more than its fill of evil ENTJs, INTJs and the occasional ENTP... and not evil, but plain annoying and pain-in-the ass STJs...
    I made an INFP villain - a tortured soul, quite unbalanced because of a thousand years of loneliness (he's a god), and willing to destroy the universe because he feels guilty about the religious wars. Does that seem okay?
    (I made some nice INFPs too, don't worry )
    I can see an INFP villain as someone who uses people in order to fulfill a personal vendetta or something of the sort, too... The "final boss" of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations comes to mind. I made a post in another thread about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post

    Sacrificial offerings of cute bunny, kitten, puppy, penguins, etc pictures will help speed up the response time.

    Your question is important to us because we aren't satisfied until you aren't satisfied.

    This is without doubt, the funniest damn thing I have read in months. Yes, people in the coffee shop are looking at me with disturbed expressions. Please don't drive me to such outbursts in the future.
    Umm a question huh?
    Powdered sugar?

    Oh yeah, my picture offering.. a self portrait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    Oh, god. Now I regret telling you those stories. Perhaps I killed the thread
    It is all good. I just did not know who you were responding to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    I have a question lady INFP's...
    so it's about a girl...it's always a girl *sigh*
    This patience thing...how patient do i have to be with an infp (romantically)?
    If she's anything like me, very. I don't initiate at first (and at second & third), but I will respond.

    I met a lovely infp girl, she's just a bit umm... slow to respond...is this normal?
    Yes. If I don't like someone, then I will just tell them, usually sooner than later. Even my bouts with pity-dating were short; never past 2 dates. You should note that she is slowly warming up over time & see a difference with how she is with you compared to others. Nuances can be key. If she takes forever to call/email you back, then it may be because she is lost in some daydream world.

    Do you girls needs lots of time to plan meeting someone for the second time?
    I personally don't need a LOT of time, but it depends on what you mean by a lot. I suppose I'd expect no more than a week or two to go by before seeing someone again. I'd be up for seeing them much sooner though, especially if the first date went well. I do like a little notice so I can look my best, but I'm very spontaneous & flexible like your average P. If you want to see her again, just ask her. You can actually be really direct with INFPs; at least with me, I don't get hints. It also allows me to be direct in response, which can drag out how I really feel if I am being a coward.

    Being introverts, we sometimes do prefer more space between interactions with people. You're more likely to get frequent interactions if they are kept brief, but long interactions may be spaced out more (just to preserve our sanity).

    And do you blow hot and cold or does it just appear so?
    It just appears so. I admit I seem fickle, but it's more about me being moody. A Fi type's moodiness can be very detached from what is going on around them.
    However, if it seems like it's outright mind games, then that's lame & shouldn't be tolerated. INFPs aren't angels; they can pull stupid antics also, so don't let one sideswipe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    What does an evil INFP look like?
    Fiction has more than its fill of evil ENTJs, INTJs and the occasional ENTP... and not evil, but plain annoying and pain-in-the ass STJs...
    I made an INFP villain - a tortured soul, quite unbalanced because of a thousand years of loneliness (he's a god), and willing to destroy the universe because he feels guilty about the religious wars. Does that seem okay?
    (I made some nice INFPs too, don't worry )
    As mentioned, we make for lame villains. I think INPs are also painted as the "underdogs" a lot (the antihero), and that tends to make for a more sympathetic character, not the villain you love to hate.

    You will sometimes see INP "villains" in love stories, as the self-absorbed artist/intellectual that is an elitist ass to everyone around him/her. They just aren't seen as villains because it's romanticized; they're just antagonists. Again, it's hard to spin that as a villain because what makes them bad is how withdrawn they are from people; they aren't seeking to affect them in any big way, they just happen to rub people wrong with a bad attitude. But anyway, my point is, the characters are still "bad" & unlikable, just not super-villains.

    I think an idea for a villain could be an INP professor that sabotages students in a disgruntled, secretive manner. Obviously, that would have to be a comedy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Probably the best you'll come up with, it's kind of hard.

    The problem with INP villains (because the same problem exists with INTP) is that, in our typical western story structures, the villains are the catalyst -- they are tying to change something in the world, take something over, implement some destructive plan -- whereas the heroes are reactive and just trying to maintain the way things are and/or thwart the plan rather than imposing one of their own. (I've seen stories where heroes try to implement their own plans, and guess what? They become villains!)

    And INP is probably the most reactive, passive type you'll find.

    INFP will probably be driven into villainry as part of a twisted form of moral code, driven by the abuse of morality currently in the world.
    (INTP, aside from being a subversive computer hacker, is probably more liable to be a mad scientist who performs incidental atrocities in his pursuit of higher truth.)

    They're kind of lame villains.
    I think the INFP would surround themselves brutally strong mislead henchmen and the henchmen would feel nurtured in some way

    thinking harmony from buffy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    It is all good. I just did not know who you were responding to.
    Thank you for the clarification. I think you are right. I was sort of replying to INTPness and Jennifer and all those who asked, or secretly wanted, to know one lone INFPs experiences with negative feedback from assertiveness in desire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I think an idea for a villain could be an INP professor that sabotages students in a disgruntled, secretive manner. Obviously, that would have to be a comedy....
    I think a bad INFP would be making more of a stir in their environment. If only because it isn't their usual behavior to do that. Interestingly, speaking of professors, there's an example in Naomi Quenk's book about an INFP professor who filled his department with dread (I'm not sure how exactly, but it basically illustrated that he appeared like an undeveloped ETJ). It wasn't secretive in his case. That story loosely reminded me of the kind of extreme I've gone through at one point (I was young and puberty didn't help either..so that isn't type related, I guess). There were a couple of years when I had some negative effect on people. To the point that some had "heard stories" - stories that were total lies. Like my bad side was convincing enough to have a life of it's own. Let alone be bad in it's own right. Fortunately, I grew out of it, but that period wasn't really a secret in my case either.

    The way I see it also depends on environment. In some environments, Te may operate more impersonally or more brash than what others experienced in their environments. So you take in what you've seen of it. It could be a stark, "This is simply how the world works" brand of utility. It can be offensive (in our minds), and we shut it out or don't recognize it's positives until later in life. We see it in it's negative manifestations. Yet, if we fall back on it, we express it in the very negative ways that we view it.. or were affected by. I was not surprised after I read Quenk's book that IFPs kind of sounded like they had the most cynical and mean expression of their shadow:

    An INFP becomes "More intense. I tend to lash out at people with great anger. I am blaming and accusatory. I get vicious 'Ben Hur'-type images with a lot of violent action. I feel cold, intolerant, uncaring, rigid, straitjacketed, focused.." "I snap at people and don't care about their reactions to this. I criticize people, especially about their incompetence. I generalize this to thinking that the whole world is incompetent and has screwed up values, and I stop caring about my own values," explained another INFP.

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