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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i'm guessing psychopath...seems extremely non fi to wear masks....you guys are either way over analyzing yourself and the intricacies of your personality or there's something completely unrelated to being an infp going on there...at least imo.
    I'm not sure if he's joking or describing himself.

    I don't sit there in front of a mirror planning something.

    I can feel pretty alienated sometimes. And one way I imagine it is like putting on a SCUBA suit to go out and talk to the "normal" people. It is like putting on a persona. This doesn't mean I'm uncaring or malicious in a general sense, but rather, it just takes me effort to make small conversations with "the humans", when the world inside is so interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I wouldn't disagree on "mask" as a means of protection, social unsurety, or whatnot. I think INTPs are much the same.. who will perk up the more they know people are open to their thoughts. What I was trying illustrate above is more along the lines of conscious/creative masking and metamorphosis.. vs Fi's inclination for authenticity. Fi is more likely to not say anything at all rather than participate too far out of what it's comfortable with. If not be a critic of sorts.
    I agree with that....I think there's far less conscious persona creating than what some other types might be comfortable doing, even if just from a creative standpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuggletron View Post
    I mainly view these masks as facades that are really me, they just have utilities for different situations. If I fear I'm being unauthentic, I'll fix it to fit me. Basically it's like having knobs for everything and toning certain knobs up or down depending on what we want to present outside at the time.
    Well put.
    I'd say the trouble with some INFP social masking is when they wear so many social masks that it doesn't seem like they have a sense of self. No solid core, just blowing wherever the wind takes them. While it's a good trait to be flexible, it can be an absolutely terrible trait to be so easily swayed by what a situation calls for.

    Social masking in general can feel very strange. I know for my own type of masking, I prefer to not place myself in situations where I'd need to be too far from myself to feel situated. Makes my skin crawl, regardless of if I can be good at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    I'm guessing psychopath...seems extremely non fi to wear masks....you guys are either way over analyzing yourself and the intricacies of your personality or there's something completely unrelated to being an infp going on there...at least imo.
    Hmmm, maybe that's just one of the differences between INFP and ENFP. Mask isn't quite the right word and many of the INFP who replied have said that in their own words. Whether you like or not INFP do not easily reveal their inner being. Surely you only reveal parts of your self to certain people and not others.
    It's been stated before on this site, that INFP are chameleons, it's same thing, different name and discussion. Empathetic reflection, I would say is very much our thing. As overanalysing our selves, if that's not a defining characteristic of INFP, then I handing in my INFP badge.
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    Well, being an introverted perceiver naturally leads to hiding one's personal playground from others instinctively. Then there's Fi, a very hidden function, even from the dominant user themselves. Then there's no Se to help bring it all out.

    On top of that, I thought it would be something INFPs are a lot more sensitive to than most, what with the constant internal scanning many of them submit themselves to. I think valuing authenticity, honesty, consistency, reliability, and truthfulness have nothing to do with being INFP. Integrity is the related concept I would say IxFPs inherently care about, and that would increase their sensitivity to masking further, but the previous values come from elsewhere if they are there (so maybe INFPs dedicate themselves to romanticised values more easily, where in the Western world things like reliability and authenticity are such). So, whilst INFPs will have more integrity than most, they won't be any more authentic, honest etcetera than other types.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unkindloving View Post
    I'd say the trouble with some INFP social masking is when they wear so many social masks that it doesn't seem like they have a sense of self. No solid core, just blowing wherever the wind takes them. .
    That is the situation I find myself in. There was very little social value to be gained by acting INFP, even internally, throughout my life, and much to be gained elsewhere. I drifted away from it, yet haven't changed the core nature, so it is extreme masking. That's the reason, along with anecdotal evidence, I think INFP males are more prone to this, since INFPness is even less valued in males around the world. They have a strange stoic sensitivity, and lack the quirkiness I see in female ones, which I think may be explained by this.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    I personally would have a hard time figuring out what my "true self" is exactly, not to mention sharing it with other people, regardless of how close our bond is. I can only define it as a feeling of myself. As in, I know and feel that I exist . However, trying to apply any kind of characteristics to it would be near impossible. But I know that I am driven by some things, like the need to be independent for one, and to experience the various sensations that life has to offer, be they physical or emotional. On the other hand, if you knew me in real life, you would likely not see those aspects of myself, as I am severely held back by my fears.
    I cannot differentiate between internal masking and a simple lack of a face, to take a metaphor too far. Whether the difficulty in perceiving my "true self" comes from its blurriness/unrefined qualities, or simply because I haven't had much practise looking at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mask Manifest View Post
    I found this excerpt fitting:
    As Orangeappled has nicely demonstrated, it is mentioned a lot in INFP and Fi descriptions. Even in some of the idealising fluffy bunny ones.

    With that name of yours, you have a lot to live up to in this thread

    Thanks for responses everyone. Keep 'em coming if you have more to say. It's very interesting. I, and hopefully others, appreciate it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    Well, being an introverted perceiver naturally leads to hiding one's personal playground from others instinctively. Then there's Fi, a very hidden function, even from the dominant user themselves. Then there's no Se to help bring it all out.
    Ne and Se are both extroverted perception.. Se doesn't have domain on externalizing, or sensing in the typical [non-mbti] sense. Jung himself states this (same goes for other writers after him.. Thomson goes into this too). If anything, Ni is the function that is the most disconnected (not that that's necessarily bad.. there are a lot of positive things about it too). The same goes for having more troubles with self-identity as well. Don't take my word for it either. Go to an MBTI counselor and talk about Fi like this.. they will correct it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Ne and Se are both extroverted perception.. Se doesn't have domain on externalizing, or sensing in the typical [non-mbti] sense. Jung himself states this (same goes for other writers after him.. Thomson goes into this too). If anything, Ni is the function that is the most disconnected (not that that's necessarily bad.. there are a lot of positive things about it too). The same goes for having more troubles with self-identity as well. Don't take my word for it either. Go to an MBTI counselor and talk about Fi like this.. they will correct it.
    Yes Ne and Se are both extroverted, yes Sensing does not mean sensing (like Feeling does not mean feeling). Ni is probably the most introverted and disconnected function.

    I did not contradict any of that. IJs are better at externally expressing themselves, generally, than IPs. Se is better at expressing introverted J functions clearly than Ne. Fi is quite hidden and does not express itself clearly (the relevant comparison being to Ti). None of that conflicts with what you have said, all of it agrees with what Jung said.

    It's so abstract and function-based, that is the problem with it. Needs evidence one way or the other (e.g. this thread).

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    I believe my "masks" are mostly not directly something like a different personality, but more of a reduced form of it, a "light"-version of me. I don't show all my personality traits, but only those which leave me less vulnerable. That might make me look to people which don't know me well like a different person than I really am maybe, but it is still me from my own point of view. The more close I am to the person or the more I feel safe around him/her to reveal more of me, the more I do reveal of me.

    It is though a topic which is difficult to describe more in detail for myself. Long time I had trouble to understand my own behavior myself, and I am not completely sure I did yet, although I think I do to some extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    Yes Ne and Se are both extroverted, yes Sensing does not mean sensing (like Feeling does not mean feeling). Ni is probably the most introverted and disconnected function.

    I did not contradict any of that. IJs are better at externally expressing themselves, generally, than IPs. Se is better at expressing introverted J functions clearly than Ne. Fi is quite hidden and does not express itself clearly. None of that conflicts with what you have said, all of it agrees with what Jung said.

    It's so abstract and function-based, that is the problem with it. Needs evidence one way or the other (e.g. this thread).
    I'd say Fi is the most abstract of the J functions & agree it is hard to express....Thompson mentions it feels a bit "mystical", and may not even feel like rational reasoning at times, even though it is (although many a Fi-dom, including me, might feel they predominantly reason, not just experience "feelings").

    I think the identity issues with Fi is more of a reconciling an abstract feeling with reality.... I like what the Outsider said (if I grasped it correctly): he has a feeling about who he is (or maybe would like to be), but he doesn't know what his true self is. This expresses a sort of disconnect of the internal ideal self from the self in reality, something I suspect is common to the Fi-dom.

    Although, I'd argue that in many ways, Ne gives INFPs a leg up over ISFPs. INFPs are said to be often more articulate with the written word, and there is the advantage that Ne ingenuity brings. You basically have an abstract perception working with an abstract kind of judgment, which allows for an easier "translation". ISFPs have to bridge their abstract judging to a very literal kind of perceiving. Personally, I've noticed they struggle more at verbal communication. The problem with Ne is when the person you're speaking to does not see it as valid, namely, when they discredit its metaphorical style or dismiss its connections as too far-fetched.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Differing
    The contrast between the real and the ideal weighs more heavily upon the ISFPs, who are more sharply aware of the actual state of affairs, than upon INFPs, whose iNtuititon suggests hopeful avenues of improvement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Van Der Hoop on Fi-doms
    Where intuition is developed, it is of great assistance in finding expression for introverted feeling, both in practical life and in art.
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