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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Yeah, I get the same idea about a bohemian. A bohemian is a person that makes a big deal out of his rebellion. For him it's more important to be against something than to be yourself. It's like the inherent flaw with anarchists. If they are just about bringing about anarchy, then what? If they manage to collapse the system, there will just be new people grasping for power. In a way I think anarchism has the right idea, but it seems that it is only an ideology as long as it doesn't happen. Inside true anarchy you wouldn't have anarchists at all.
    agreed. and then they'll turn around and say you're not "being yourself" because you bother wasting your time rebelling against things for it's own sake. true rebels on the other hand are there for a reason.
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    If given the choice of being extrovert or introvert, I'd take extrovert, hands down. It has little to do with whats "cooler" and more to do with me seeing introverts struggle IRL. Ofcourse anyone and everyone struggles... but I do not like feeling disconnected from the world around me, I do not like the times that I can't get out of my head and actually make things happen, I do not like feeling alone or misunderstood. This is not to say that extroverts cant have these problems, but they are less likely to. Yet I love that introverts rely less on outward approval, have less need for people, and tend to self reflect or know themselves better. Wait, is that even true? DO introverts know themselves better, generally speaking? (And please don't make me break down what I believe *knowing oneself* means, i see the potential for that already)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Yeah, I get the same idea about a bohemian. A bohemian is a person that makes a big deal out of his rebellion. For him it's more important to be against something than to be yourself. It's like the inherent flaw with anarchists. If they are just about bringing about anarchy, then what? If they manage to collapse the system, there will just be new people grasping for power. In a way I think anarchism has the right idea, but it seems that it is only an ideology as long as it doesn't happen. Inside true anarchy you wouldn't have anarchists at all.
    I wasn't talking about that kind of bohemian... I meant the ones that are meandering throught he fringes of society, like yourself... The Underground Man thought little about what others thought, even if he did see them as bulls charing against a wall. What you're describing sounds more like the previously mentioned hipsterism ("I liked it before it was popular, unlike you"). Sorry if I wasn't clear. ^_^'

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    i like being an extravert too (not like better, i'm sure if i was an introvert than i would like being an introvert too), but there are times... after the gathering has dissipated and i'm driving home alone in the darkness, and all the go-go-go and stimulation is gone, and suddenly my energy level plummets and i feel lonely and tired and just want to cry... i wish i could be more like an introvert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I wasn't talking about that kind of bohemian... I meant the ones that are meandering throught he fringes of society, like yourself... The Underground Man thought little about what others thought, even if he did see them as bulls charing against a wall. What you're describing sounds more like the previously mentioned hipsterism ("I liked it before it was popular, unlike you"). Sorry if I wasn't clear. ^_^'
    Ah, yeah, ok. I kinda linked the idea of bohemian to this character you often see in tv. This slight attitude change is very important theme for me. It can be hard to keep a track on what I am doing for real and what I am doing because I like the idea of doing it more than the doing itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    Yet I love that introverts rely less on outward approval, have less need for people, and tend to self reflect or know themselves better. Wait, is that even true? DO introverts know themselves better, generally speaking? (And please don't make me break down what I believe *knowing oneself* means, i see the potential for that already)
    I think it is just as easy (or hard) knowing yourself by looking inside as it is by looking outside. If you look inside, you will have to come to the realization that you are not an island and many things don't make any sense whatsoever without relating them to your surroundings. Or if you look outside, you will see that it is your core that is manifesting itself into the external life situation you have. In either case the core will remain a mystery eventually, and so will the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    there are a lot of dumb stereotypes surrounding both classifications, introverts being antisocial, extraverts being loudmouths.
    I think the stereotypes lead many ENxx types to think of themselves as introvert. Part of it is the nature of N perceiving (both Ne & Ni) to devalue the literal object in favor of its abstract conceptual implications. This results in feeling a bit detached from the external, even though ENxx types still seek out a kind of external stimulation much more so than an INxx type.

    i also thought there was something lovely and magical about the INFP profile. the whole "healer" thing, and in being a fairly small subset of the population. interestingly... i've come to find out that there's more of a... hardness? to most INFPs than i realized. a stronger moral boundary. stronger Fi, i figure, in functionspeak. it's been especially interesting to encounter INFPs who are not very "warm" or "squishy" for the way i initially idealized the type. many INFPs - you, nolla - OrangeAppled, Tater, Southern Krossed, Udog, just to think of a few - you guys almost seem INTPy to me at times. drier, more independent and divorced from other people. not that that's either bad or good - it's just different than what i had initially imagined upon first conceptualizing INFP. in reality i think i was projecting myself into INFP as much as i was attempting to project INFP onto myself. it still irks me a little that i am not a "healer" by type, because that's always been a major focus in my life and self-concept, but the truth for me is that curiosity wins out over healing.
    The soft, sweet, magical healer vibe many profiles give off is precisely why for some 10 years I always typed INTP (from casually taking tests) & couldn't see myself as a Feeler. Not until I started getting into the theory did I clearly see I was an INFP. Even still, I identify more as being an I or N than an F, simply because of the associations people make with Feeling that I don't see as applying to me.

    I think "healing" really needs to be clarified. I would never have called myself that prior to learning about MBTI, and it annoyed me at first that INFPs got that label, until I realized what it really means. It is NOT the comforting nurturing that ISFJs give, or the enthusiastic championing of underdog from the ENFP (which is likely why the "healing" title appealed to you, ENFPs do aid people emotionally in significant ways), or the pro-active counseling of the INFJ....it's really an uncomfortable & vulnerable process, and this makes the INFP healer's calm, detached, externally stoic, yet gentle exterior the right one for people to vent to & to accept some adjustments to their own thinking.

    I've heard people say they like the calm, unemotional T presence when they are upset - but that's the INFP healer style also. I won't cry with or for you, but I'll be a voice of reason, to guide you to some idea that helps you to get beyond the feeling, to finally "heal" it so you can move on, but it's in a non-critical way that still feels safe emotionally. I think if people witnessed the INFP empathetic style more they'd realize it's more like an intensive therapy session to refine feelings than a comforting & nurturing hug fest.
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    I was just wondering, what do those of you who are confused about your introversion/extroversion levels, score on this test? Its by Marti Olsen Laney from this book

    A Test for Introverted Personality Traits

    Answer true or false to the following questions about introversion and extroversion:

    1. I like to have long, uninterrupted periods to work on projects, rather than small chunks.
    2. I sometimes rehearse things before speaking, occasionally writing notes to myself.
    3. I like to listen more than talk.
    4. People sometimes think I’m quiet, mysterious, aloof or calm.
    5. I usually need to think before I respond or speak.
    6. I like to share special occasions with just one or two people, rather than have a big celebration.
    7. I tend to notice details many people don’t see.
    8. If two people have just had an argument, I feel the tension in the air.
    9. If I say I’ll do something, I almost always do it.
    10. I feel anxious if I have a deadline or pressure.
    11. I can zone out if too much is going on.
    12. I like to watch an activity for awhile before joining in.
    13. I form lasting relationships.
    14. I don’t like to interrupt others; I don’t like to be interrupted.
    15. When I take in lots of information, it takes me awhile to sort it out.
    16. I don’t like overstimulating environments.
    17. I sometimes have strong reactions to smells, tastes, foods, weather, and noise.
    18. I am creative and/or imaginative.
    19. I feel drained after social situations, even when I enjoy myself.
    20. I prefer to be introduced rather than having to introduce others.
    21. I often feel uncomfortable in new surroundings.
    22. I can become grouchy if I’m around people or activities for too long.
    23. I often dread returning phone calls.
    24. I like people to come to my home, but I don’t like them to stay a long time.
    25. I find my mind sometimes goes blank when I meet people or when I am asked to speak unexpectedly.
    26. I talk slowly or have gaps in my words, especially if I’m tired or if I’m trying to think and speak at once.
    27. I don’t think of acquaintances as close friends.
    28. I feel as if I can’t show other people my ideas until they’re fully formulated.
    29. Other people may surprise me by thinking I’m smarter than I am.


    Simply add up your “true” responses. The more “trues” you have, the more introverted personality traits or introversion signs you possess…


    Scoring:

    20-29 “true” responses means you’re a true introvert. “Only deep relationships measure up as friendships and you use them to relax. You need to mentally rest throughout the day, even after enjoyable activities. Because you will draw a blank under pressure, prepare for meetings, talks, and even parties beforehand. Accept your nature and learn to politely fend off energy-draining people.”

    10-19 “true” responses means you’re both introverted and extroverted. “You sometimes feel torn between the desire to dance in the streets and walk alone on the beach. Notice this, so you can keep your energy consistent. You judge yourself through your thoughts and feelings, and through others, leaving you with a broad view that is sometimes difficult to straddle.”

    1-9 “true” responses means you’re an extrovert. “You relish variety, have lots of ‘close, personal’ friends and will chat with complete strangers. Your stimulation is all external, so you talk, think, and act quickly. As you reach midlife, however, you may need to take a break from the high life to reflect, even though it goes against your nature.”
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    ^^^
    I came up with 11. I am both introverted and extroverted. SURPRISE! =D

    There are a few questions I don't quite understand how they related to introversion though.

    "Lasting relationships"
    "Creative & imaginitive"
    "Senses tension in the air"
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    I came up 15

    There are a few questions I don't quite understand how they related to introversion though.
    "Lasting relationships"
    "Creative & imaginitive"
    "Senses tension in the air"
    agreed, also
    "when I say I will do something, I almost always do it"
    has nothing to do with introversion
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    I think its kinda funny that you extraverts look back at your younger selves thinking that you were introverted, while I (an introvert) look back and see my younger self being much more extraverted. The only reason I don't have any confusion about being an extravert when I was younger is that I can remember quite a few adults commenting on how quiet/lonerish I was. I don't really remember being that quiet though, so it always struck me as a little odd whenever someone would say that.

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