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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    I don't think it means that. If the theory is true, then there is a higher chance that an introvert is really a mistyped extravert. So, that would mean that if you think you are an extravert, it is statistically more likely that you really are, compared to a person thinking they are introverts.

    I think that the question is, why do people like the idea they are introverts? Or maybe some extraverts are more aware of their shyness and anti-social aspects than others, and then get the idea they are introverts.
    Maybe they think introverts are smarter and/or less conformistic? There's also the mystique of the "brooding loner" archetype, like those wayfarers you see in Westerns, or Batman. Everyone loves Batman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    I think that the question is, why do people like the idea they are introverts? Or maybe some extraverts are more aware of their shyness and anti-social aspects than others, and then get the idea they are introverts.
    both of these for me.

    for one, i thought i was less externally engaged than i am because i'm not the life of the party, nor am i always particularly assertive. i know i have a very rich inner world, so that swayed me, too. plus i think it's sort of easy to "miss" how much you use your Perceiving function when you're P dom. it's like a lens that you look through - if everything looks consistent, it's easy to forget it's there. i honestly always thought Ne was how all people thought. i just figured that was how brains worked. regardless, i still kind of laugh at being an "extravert". i'm pretty socially introverted IRL. and there are a lot of dumb stereotypes surrounding both classifications, introverts being antisocial, extraverts being loudmouths.

    i also thought there was something lovely and magical about the INFP profile. the whole "healer" thing, and in being a fairly small subset of the population. interestingly... i've come to find out that there's more of a... hardness? to most INFPs than i realized. a stronger moral boundary. stronger Fi, i figure, in functionspeak. it's been especially interesting to encounter INFPs who are not very "warm" or "squishy" for the way i initially idealized the type. many INFPs - you, nolla - OrangeAppled, Tater, Southern Krossed, Udog, just to think of a few - you guys almost seem INTPy to me at times. drier, more independent and divorced from other people. not that that's either bad or good - it's just different than what i had initially imagined upon first conceptualizing INFP. in reality i think i was projecting myself into INFP as much as i was attempting to project INFP onto myself. it still irks me a little that i am not a "healer" by type, because that's always been a major focus in my life and self-concept, but the truth for me is that curiosity wins out over healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    I don't think it means that. If the theory is true, then there is a higher chance that an introvert is really a mistyped extravert. So, that would mean that if you think you are an extravert, it is statistically more likely that you really are, compared to a person thinking they are introverts.

    I think that the question is, why do people like the idea they are introverts? Or maybe some extraverts are more aware of their shyness and anti-social aspects than others, and then get the idea they are introverts.
    Well, I once said to a college friend, just months prior to my more in-depth study of personality theory, that I was an introvert, and he laughed until he snorted and said, "I don't think you're an introvert. You're also not shy."

    However, I did have a lot of social anxiety during periods of my younger life, and I think sometimes ENFPs think they're introverts because they like to spend time alone thinking and reading...however, it's interesting to me how many famous ENFPs are writers, so apparently that has nothing to do with being an introvert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    i also thought there was something lovely and magical about the INFP profile .
    haha! me too, when I was still in high school and very first read a book about Keirsey or MBTI (don't remember which)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Maybe they think introverts are smarter and/or less conformistic? There's also the mystique of the "brooding loner" archetype, like those wayfarers you see in Westerns, or Batman. Everyone loves Batman.
    Yeah, that's right... in the age of individualism, there is certainly some adoration of the lone wolf type. I also like the idea of the village idiot. It seems that this is a sort of a legend too. Someone living in a hut, scaring kids away, almost shamanic...

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    i also thought there was something lovely and magical about the INFP profile. the whole "healer" thing, and in being a fairly small subset of the population. interestingly... i've come to find out that there's more of a... hardness? to most INFPs than i realized. a stronger moral boundary. stronger Fi, i figure, in functionspeak. it's been especially interesting to encounter INFPs who are not very "warm" or "squishy" for the way i initially idealized the type. many INFPs - you, nolla - OrangeAppled, Tater, Southern Krossed, Udog, just to think of a few - you guys almost seem INTPy to me at times. drier, more independent and divorced from other people. not that that's either bad or good - it's just different than what i had initially imagined upon first conceptualizing INFP. in reality i think i was projecting myself into INFP as much as i was attempting to project INFP onto myself. it still irks me a little that i am not a "healer" by type, because that's always been a major focus in my life and self-concept, but the truth for me is that curiosity wins out over healing.
    It's interesting that you point this out, since it hasn't been too obvious to me that I really do give sort of an INTP vibe to people (in real life too). I was quite amazed when I heard someone describe me in a way that made it sound like I try to keep my feelings hidden. This isn't how I see myself, since to me my feelings appear very much out of control. But, I guess I'll have to admit it to myself that most of the time I am seen colder than how it appears to myself. Even the word "healer" doesn't really describe the way I interact with people. I would be more of a by-stander most of the time. Even when I want to help someone, all I think I am capable of is listening to them. The "wounded healer" is an archetype I like very much, though, there's something very beautiful in it.

    It's funny, though, that while I do think you are right about this (...hell, even the people you listed there are people I feel are most like me around here!) it still feels like "more independent and divorced from other people" would leave a wrong image about me. I guess there are many ways of being introverted, or independent, or divorced from other people, and the funny part is that I am totally hooked on people. I've lived in a commune so long now, I can't anymore even imagine how it would be to live alone, and I am almost sure I would become depressed. The way Eric B has extroversion split in two different kinds makes a lot sense to me. I am not initiating contact, but I like it a lot that there are people available.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    However, I did have a lot of social anxiety during periods of my younger life, and I think sometimes ENFPs think they're introverts because they like to spend time alone thinking and reading...however, it's interesting to me how many famous ENFPs are writers, so apparently that has nothing to do with being an introvert.
    It might be that there is sort of a bias due to the fact that people often want the typology to confirm that their career choice or whatever important choice is somehow fitting for their type. It's also very easy to get the idea that some skills are just too hard to learn if you are some type. I think that's BS. You can be whatever you want. Personally I've spent a lot of time using my visual skills. This is something I shouldn't do since I'm not an SP. Keirsey even says something like "Some NFs might get pretty good at painting, since they idealize the work and see it as a romantic career, but they will never be as good as the SPs". I think anything like this is pretty silly considering that the amount of skill has to do with the amount of practice, and if you enjoy something, it is more likely that you will practice it. So, anyone interested in anything will be good at it, eventually. Think about the hours people spend staring the tv. If someone uses this time to write, he is sure to be quite talented in it, no matter what his type is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Yeah, that's right... in the age of individualism, there is certainly some adoration of the lone wolf type. I also like the idea of the village idiot. It seems that this is a sort of a legend too. Someone living in a hut, scaring kids away, almost shamanic...
    Could you elaborate on that "village idiot" concept? Doesn't sound like a model a lot of people would like to follow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Could you elaborate on that "village idiot" concept? Doesn't sound like a model a lot of people would like to follow...


    I'm not sure if this is more about my own culture... It hasn't been a long time since most of my country was living outside of big cities (a few generations ago), so it might be that this is more of an archetype here than in other countries. I guess there is an American version of this, a guy who lives below the radar, hidden somewhere in the wilderness, kind of self-sufficient type. But even when you think of it as the village idiot, living by his own set of standards, there is something there. And you known, you can't really live by your own standards without being seen as a crazy person by the mainstream. There's so much of comforming to the culture, that I don't think anyone would really live like this if they could start anew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post


    I'm not sure if this is more about my own culture... It hasn't been a long time since most of my country was living outside of big cities (a few generations ago), so it might be that this is more of an archetype here than in other countries. I guess there is an American version of this, a guy who lives below the radar, hidden somewhere in the wilderness, kind of self-sufficient type. But even when you think of it as the village idiot, living by his own set of standards, there is something there. And you known, you can't really live by your own standards without being seen as a crazy person by the mainstream. There's so much of comforming to the culture, that I don't think anyone would really live like this if they could start anew.
    Aaahn. 'Kay. I took the term a bit too literally, like, someone in a village or community who is notorious for being dumber than a bag of bricks. What you're referring to sounds more like a counter-culture thing, a "fly on the wall" who is perceived to be a parasite, the brooding vagrant... Like the Underground Man from Dostoevsky's Notes From Underground. A bohemian. Izzat right?

    I'd say bohemianism in our Western, American (the continent) culture is sometimes associated with the emo subculture, or with hipsterism, and, by association, with being a "phony" or "poser" for taking pride in going "against the mainstream" rather than simply enjoying whatever you like without being pretentious. I'm conjecturing, mind you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    A bohemian. Izzat right?

    I'd say bohemianism in our Western, American (the continent) culture is sometimes associated with the emo subculture, or with hipsterism, and, by association, with being a "phony" or "poser" for taking pride in going "against the mainstream" rather than simply enjoying whatever you like without being pretentious. I'm conjecturing, mind you.
    Yeah, I get the same idea about a bohemian. A bohemian is a person that makes a big deal out of his rebellion. For him it's more important to be against something than to be yourself. It's like the inherent flaw with anarchists. If they are just about bringing about anarchy, then what? If they manage to collapse the system, there will just be new people grasping for power. In a way I think anarchism has the right idea, but it seems that it is only an ideology as long as it doesn't happen. Inside true anarchy you wouldn't have anarchists at all.

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    posted by skylights
    i also thought there was something lovely and magical about the INFP profile. the whole "healer" thing, and in being a fairly small subset of the population. interestingly... i've come to find out that there's more of a... hardness? to most INFPs than i realized. a stronger moral boundary. stronger Fi, i figure, in functionspeak. it's been especially interesting to encounter INFPs who are not very "warm" or "squishy" for the way i initially idealized the type. many INFPs - you, nolla - OrangeAppled, Tater, Southern Krossed, Udog, just to think of a few - you guys almost seem INTPy to me at times. drier, more independent and divorced from other people. not that that's either bad or good - it's just different than what i had initially imagined upon first conceptualizing INFP. in reality i think i was projecting myself into INFP as much as i was attempting to project INFP onto myself. it still irks me a little that i am not a "healer" by type, because that's always been a major focus in my life and self-concept, but the truth for me is that curiosity wins out over healing.
    my thoughts exactly, especially the "INFPs are less than 4% of the population. yeah, I must be that!" assumption that's easy for ENFPs to make early in the self process

    posted by Marmie Dearest
    Well, I once said to a college friend, just months prior to my more in-depth study of personality theory, that I was an introvert, and he laughed until he snorted and said, "I don't think you're an introvert. You're also not shy."

    However, I did have a lot of social anxiety during periods of my younger life, and I think sometimes ENFPs think they're introverts because they like to spend time alone thinking and reading...however, it's interesting to me how many famous ENFPs are writers, so apparently that has nothing to do with being an introvert.
    interesting, I thought I was an introvert specifically because I didn't have social anxiety. the main reasons I think I am an ENFP (although I wouldn't exactly call myself an extrovert) are
    - outspoken about just about everything
    - intense communicator
    - trouble talking quietly
    - balanced F/T, unbalanced N/S
    - most introverts I know don't like to talk about themselves a lot
    - quick to respond in a conversation. although I suppose this could be more an Ne thing that extroversion as a whole (people often think I'm not listening, but it's really just that I generate responses at lightning speed)

    still, my blatantly introverted lifestyle calls this into question
    - being in public usually feels like running a race.
    - I spend most of my time inside studying, doing homework, ranting on type C, drinking tea and listening to music
    - I can stay in my room for days and do nothing but listen to music and think
    - easily startled, when I'm in my room doing something and my roommate walks in, it usually makes me jump
    - prefer to keep the door closed and locked, I like to know in advance if someone wants to talk to me
    - ENFPs usually like people...I am disgusted by most people
    - group dynamics confuse the hell out of me
    - dislike traditional conversation structure of 50/50 speaking/listening (when I'm with my INTJ besty, sometimes I'll talk 80% of the time and other times 20%. other times both of us will talk at the same time while simultaneously listening to each other and then not not say anything for 5-15 minutes before going back to one person talking at a time)
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