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    1. I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective.

    Yes and no. I certainly don't see morality black and white terms - in fact I'm often annoyed by people that do. There are few things in this world that can always be simply lumped into the categories 'good' and 'evil'.

    At the same time I'm opposed to moral relativism. While it is important to understand context, I feel that we must take sides and decide what is right and wrong. I feel that without this it is a slippery slope where everything could be considered acceptable, no matter how cruel or inappropriate. Also we need some universal ethics so we can know how to act in different circumstances - having too much of a subjective relativist view could leave you paralysed by indecision at a crucial moment and people could be hurt as a result.

    2. If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision.

    Yes, very much so. I'm often indecisive with important decisions (ethics are easy, day-to-day life is hard ). I need my thoughts to settle so the appropriate priorities can become clear and the answer will come to me.

    3. I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’.

    Yes, a great deal; sometimes to the point of being over-analytical.

    4. I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions

    I wouldn't say 'often' but I do regularly. I don't really differentiate between negative and positive emotions; I'm interested in understanding both kinds. However, I will avoid dwelling on certain negative thoughts if I find them frustrating and difficult to overcome - there's no point beating your head against a brick wall and as I said earlier the answers tend to come to me eventually.

    5. I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression

    Yes, to a degree. I have such ecclectic interests and an unusual nature so I don't naturally fit in, and I find people are quite judgmental. I will edit myself based on the audience, emphasize and de-emphasize certain aspect of myself, to spare myself some embarrassment. I'd rather avoid the uphill battle and just adapt to the people around me, because I know they won't do the same for me.

    6. I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary.

    No, I don't exactly isolate myself for this reason. I do so to relax and feel safe, not preserve my individuality - I don't think that is something that is under threat

    7. I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me

    No, I can imagine feeling that close to someone.

    8. I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type

    Not really. It needs to be interpretive so that it remains generalised enough to cover everyone.

    9. I’ve had a lot of trouble typing, because I see highly contrasting sides to myself, some of which seem incompatible with INFx

    I did feel so initial conflict over whether I was extroverted and/or a thinker but it didn't take much thought to realise the obvious. I felt my type really described me well right away. I do have many contrasting sides but I feel they are covered by the INFP description.

    10. I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish

    Not really. I do often beat myself up over things I've done or failed to do that I believe is wrong but this is because I have high standards for myself, not because I think I'm a bad person. I do expect that I must constantly strive towards the ideal but can forgive myself for falling short, which is only human.

    11. I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction.

    Yes. Hence the strange looks I get when smiling/laughing to myself when walking down the street alone, for no reason.

    12. Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly

    Yes.

    13. Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring.

    Not really - I'm not quite that detached from reality. Fantasy is often more fun and interesting but I don't think its healthy to use it as a complete substitute for reality.

    14. I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc.

    Yes, I dislike these things to a degree but I'm too lazy to actually do something about it. Its not high on my list of priorities.

    15. I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse).

    Mostly. Although I do acknowledge the need to stick to the plan when tempted into time-wasting distractions. It is not my natural inclination to recognise this - I've learned this over the years by the mistakes I've made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    8. I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type
    Not really. It needs to be interpretive so that it remains generalised enough to cover everyone.
    I think you're right actually, and if objective establishment were possible that would imply we were all cut'n'dried, with our most interesting complexities ironed-out.


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    I did start the thread but the content was not original to me.

    Right now I am the "Destroyer of worlds" and the "Cobra"
    I am always the "Method actor" "The Revolutionary" and "the Guru"

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...aces-infj.html
    That is quite an impressive list of personal attributes. I would look like a most feeble INFJ 6w5 by comparison, if that is me.

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    INFP here.

    1.I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective

    For personal positions, I agree. It's kind of scary, actually. I definitely have my own ideas of right/wrong, but I, probably more than anyone I know, am very aware and accepting of the fact that everyone's mind works differently and their personal truths are varied. I often wish things were universely regarded as right/wrong for the betterment of humanity.

    2.If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision
    Yes, if I have the luxury of waiting for the right solution to emerge naturally, I will. I'm an admirer of happenstance, and I really enjoy watching the unfolding.

    3.I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’
    Story of my life (when it comes to people, most especially).

    4.I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions
    I'm often preoccupied with experiencing my negative emotions, but I'm really trying to explore and resolve them now more than ever in my life because that preoccupation has caused trouble in relationships (especially with T's).

    5.I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression
    Absolutely. Fear of disapproval keeps my spirit at simmer instead of boiling over. Unfortunately, this may cause me to act out in a passive-aggressive manner with those from whom I am seeking approval.

    6.I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary.
    Sometimes, yes. Usually when it gets to an extreme point.

    7.I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me
    Agreed. I understand that another and I share universal similarities (and in order to connect with others, I remind myself of this), but there are very clear boundaries between us. I have never felt at one with another being.

    8.I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type
    I dislike that the tests are subjective. I very much wish there was an accurate, objective method of establishing one's MBTI type. With that said, I do truly believe in the Jungian functions and 16 types, and I am not at all opposed to putting people in these type boxes.

    9.I’ve had a lot of trouble typing, because I see highly contrasting sides to myself, some of which seem incompatible with INFx
    Absolutely. I had myself convinced at some points that I was ISFJ, ISTP and INFJ.

    10.I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish
    First statement, thus far, that I disagree with. I don't feel fundamentally "rotten". I'm aware that being selfish, for example, is sometimes necessary and that it is a quality present in all human beings.

    11.I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction.
    Most definitely. Just last night my mom said over dinner, "I really am starting to thing you're losing your mind." At the moment, she was telling a story, and I added a few imagined details that would have made the story more interesting. People tend not to understand where these imagined scenarios come from and/or why they're amusing to me.

    12.Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly.
    Yes, I feel this way often.

    13.Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring.
    Definitely. I don't know any other way for reality to be.

    14.I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc.
    Uh oh. Well...I am extremely disorganized. Extremely. Extremely. Extremely! I don't like being disorganized, but I love having all my things spread out all over so when I need something I just do a once-over of my place and see it there. I hate opening drawers to find things (I do not own a dresser for this reason!). So I do not hate disorganization, BUT it has caused me major problems, and I'm aware of this, so I am often "working on it" (a pursuit which has resulted in little-to-no progress over the years).

    I don't like being unprepared in social situations (because being disapproved of is my kryptonite), but being unprepared in general does not bother me much. I adapt well and always seem to make things work at the last moment.


    15.I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse).
    Yes. (As I just wrote in my previous sentence.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternatum View Post



    That is quite an impressive list of personal attributes. I would look like a most feeble INFJ 6w5 by comparison, if that is me.
    A few people consider me insane.
    I am told I am dynamic and unforgettable.

    You might underestimate yourself. That would be Pretty 6w5ish and INFJish of you.

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    I'm not torn between INFP and INFJ, but sometimes I wonder if I might be ENFP.

    1. I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective

    There are a few things that I can honestly say that I believe are wrong, one example is pedophilia, another is rape. But on most things, I do think it depends on perspective the who and why matter a lot when I consider if things are wrong or not. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but I can't change the way I think.

    2. If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision

    Mostly, I wait, and figure that the right decision will be made known with time, but sometimes if I have a lot of pressure from others to decide I will be kind of rash and just pick something and live with it. Of course, It leads to me wondering forever if I made the right decision, and playing out all the scenarios in my mind again and again.


    3. I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’

    This is me to the T. Most of the people in my life tell me that I just need to stop thinking and try and live in the moment, but it's really impossible. I always want to think about how other people think, the universe, how things in my past could be different, how to do things that might come up in the future that may or may not even happen. I really enjoy thinking as well, it makes me happier in general(though, not all the time, I also dwell on bad things).

    4. I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions

    I don't do this a lot, but when I do, I am totally involved. I spend much of the day dwelling and don't do much of anything else. Luckily, this hasn't been happening as much lately.

    5. I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression

    This is one of my worst habits if I had to say I had a bad one. I really, really, really, really, care about what people think. Even people I don't like. i don't like making people mad, I don't like conflict, I just want everyone to be okay with me. My friends say that I say sorry way too much. I can't help it, I just don't like when people think badly of me. But generally, it doesn't effect what I believe too much. I might act like I believe different to make things work out, but I still believe what I always have.

    6. I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary.
    This one not so much. I think my values and ideas never really change depending on who I am with, although they might seem to.
    7. I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me

    I don't feel this. I think that someone can be so close that you are almost the same person. My cousin and I were once like this to a lesser degree, we had the same ideas, finished each others sentences, liked the same things. We were both also INFP. Of course, I think that it wasn't a true extension, but it makes me believe that it is possible.

    8. I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type
    I like don't like the fact that they are overly interpretative, but I am okay with it. I mean, I think people know that it is a guide, and that not everything is going to be true for everyone.

    9. I’ve had a lot of trouble typing, because I see highly contrasting sides to myself, some of which seem incompatible with INFx Sometimes I feel this, but I am bi-polar, so that could be part of it.

    10. I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish
    Eh, I feel this occasionally, but I think everyone with a conscience does.

    11. I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction.

    I am like this all the time. It annoys my family, but I have friends that are the same way and we think up some great stuff.

    12. Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly.

    I live in a fantasy world.

    13. Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring.
    I have never thought this before, but it is an interesting concept, and I like it.

    14. I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc.

    This is not me. I would like to think that I am this way, but I am a total slob.

    15. I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse).

    I don't like planning out my day, but sometimes, when it comes to doing things with other people I have to make plans, or I get caught up with random things that I never do anything with anyone .

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    A lot of this could apply to either type....

    1. I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective

    *There's a lot of things I regard as wrong, though context can be important. Basically, people disagree about things an awful lot, and what I was trying to capture was the way in which I often regard multiple viewpoints/opinions as 'right' on some level. The level of moral implication or magnitude implied by 'right/wrong' covers a very wide range as well.*
    Yes, I very much relate to this. People think Fi is about judging good/bad, but it's more about creating concepts of good and bad that amount to principles, and when applied in context, this can change whether something is right/wrong. I certainly still feel strongly about right/wrong in a context though. I'm not an "anything goes" person.

    2. If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision

    *Describes a situation where either more information or more clarity, insight or perspective has been obtained, resulting in an easier decision*
    Yes, I relate to this a lot also. I consider this a Pe attitude.... I may make effort to seek more info, but I sometimes I do a pure wait-and-see approach if I feel there is nothing to be done or no good options at the moment.

    3. I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’

    *'Things' in this context could be anything that is part of the universe, including people*
    I have a need to understand everything. I almost never will back down from a new concept & admit defeat. I'll mull it over & seek other explanations until I have some kind of understanding, even if it's a shallow one at best. This definitely includes people & why they things (hence the interest in psychology).

    4. I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions

    *'Negative' in this context can be taken to mean emotions like melancholy, despair, anger, fear, shame, guilt etc., regardless of whether these are perceived to have 'value' or not.*
    Yes, I do this also, but less in a direct manner. I often use art, music, literature, etc, to explore the human feeling it expresses & my own responses to it, and consider what it means for me & people in general. In this sense, I seek to purposely stir emotion in myself, even if its upsetting.

    I might actually distance myself from my immediate emotions though, and instead explore emotions via a fantasy situation. It's weird how what amounts to daydreaming is actually a problem-solving tool for my mind....I feel like I've learned more about the world this way than through real life experience at times.

    I see emotions as useful tips which give insight into matters, such as what is important to me or how relationships should function ideally. I feel the more I understand my own emotions, the more I understand other people also. This was not a view I had until older though....as a child I found myself less interested in other people & my emotions were considered more of a nuisance.

    5. I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression
    I don't relate to this. I have the opposite problem (and always have had it...). I need independence & a unique identity so much that it interferes with my establishing & maintaining relationships. I withdraw from people, run away, or even scare them off by being aloof as I seek to protect my individuality.

    6. I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary.
    Yes, see above...

    7. I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me

    *I think individual interpretation rules here - do you perceive a 'soulmate' as 'self-extending' (for you personally)? It doesn't have to be a 'romantic' attachment/partner either, it could for example be children.*
    Having a unique identity has always been important to me. I don't view love & romantic relationships as an extension of self. The idea of losing myself in someone frightens me....

    8. & 9.
    I did not find it hard to type myself (or others) once I understood the Jungian types. I don't feel put into a box to be a type either. I tend to view types & functions as broad pictures which describe a major aspect of people that we recognize as personality (namely, psychological orientation). I think personality is rather complex and influenced by more than cognition though, so that's why the types are very general overviews, caricatures almost. and also why they don't deny individuality.

    10. I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish
    I don't really worry about this. I tend to worry more about wasting my life on nothing significant or becoming some pathetic old, crazy cat lady. I don't think I'm half as "nice" as INFP profiles sound....but I actually FEEL nicer than I think I appear.

    11. I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction.

    *By concept/abstraction it could just mean something you were vague about, like you couldn't say exactly what it is. It could be either an 'everyday' scenario or something more surreal/removed. I appreciate that some people will relate to the first sentence but not the second as well.*
    Oh yeah...all the time.

    12. Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly.

    *I didn't mean to imply I get bored much in the sense of thinking there's nothing to do. I find there's usually something worth doing and always something to think about or imagine - the trick is in the mind. I do sometimes think immediate reality is amazing actually, but it all depends on current perspective and what aspects I am tuning into.*
    Yep.

    13. Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring.

    *'Sometimes' is key here. It's just another perspective I sometimes adopt, because I don't think reality/the universe has a pre-defined purpose actually.*
    Yes...this is soooooooo Ne.

    14. I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc.
    I hate these things too (ie. at work I had clear systems for keeping files organized), but I also hate too much structure. I like flexibility & spontaneity in life. Routine bores me. I need novelty to keep me inspired. I find myself sensitive to disorganization from the standpoint of being an idealist (it is ideal to be neat & tidy, for example), and as a way to maximize efficiency. The idea is to have more time to goof off, and waste less time looking for stuff I misplaced and waste less time putting it away. The "play before work" P mentality is still there. My aim is always to organize to make things easier & faster; if the organizing itself takes more time than being messy, then I might choose messy though :P. I also find myself putting effort into keeping something orderly when I've deemed it important. This can make me seem inconsistent from the outside, but my general attitude towards life is a P one.

    15. I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse).
    Yes, same here. When I make plans, they tend to be general outlines, but they're not set in stone.
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    [*]I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective

    *There's a lot of things I regard as wrong, though context can be important. Basically, people disagree about things an awful lot, and what I was trying to capture was the way in which I often regard multiple viewpoints/opinions as 'right' on some level. The level of moral implication or magnitude implied by 'right/wrong' covers a very wide range as well.*

    I can be very black and white about deeply held values, at times to the point of being unmovable, but for most things I'm pretty flexible when it comes to multiple view points. It's a lot easier for me, if my internal compass points right, but when considering multiple view points I tend to dither, or sit on the fence. If I know exactly what needs to be done it's often a catalyse for action.
    [*]If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision

    *Describes a situation where either more information or more clarity, insight or perspective has been obtained, resulting in an easier decision*

    See above. I don't like choices being foisted upon me. It does take me a while to proccess things at times, but my gut instinct serves me well for most instances where I need time to process. If I follow the niggling feeling I usually come to the right conclusion even if my path getting there is some what convoluted.
    [*]I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’

    *'Things' in this context could be anything that is part of the universe, including people*

    I like to know how things tick. One of the things I regret, about my business failing was I went against my instincts in ot taking the time to completely understandhow the industry works. It was at the time, a rash desicion under less than desirable circumstances. One I hope I never have to repeat.
    [*]I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions

    *'Negative' in this context can be taken to mean emotions like melancholy, despair, anger, fear, shame, guilt etc., regardless of whether these are perceived to have 'value' or not.*

    Who doesn't want to have an epiphany?
    [*]I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression
    Yes. I sacrifice far too much in it's pursuit.
    [*]I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary.Yes. I'm currently going through that now.
    [*]I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me

    *I think individual interpretation rules here - do you perceive a 'soulmate' as 'self-extending' (for you personally)? It doesn't have to be a 'romantic' attachment/partner either, it could for example be children.*
    Ha! I believe the complete opposite. I'm Sx/Sp tough, I have a real push/pull effect.
    [*]I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type

    *I ironically hate putting people/myself in boxes/stereo-typing, and think it is more complicated than people make out. However, I would jump at the chance to be able to have my usage of Jungian-functions monitored, if this were possible/painless.*

    Just don't but into the party line and you'll be right. It's a guide, it doesn't define you as a person.
    [*]I’ve had a lot of trouble typing, because I see highly contrasting sides to myself, some of which seem incompatible with INFxI'm not a princess locked up in her tower of values, to protect myself from the ugly trolls out there either.
    [*]I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish
    OOO...I am.I've done bad things. Although I'm told they aren't as bad as I think. I think I make up for it in spades though.
    [*]I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction.By concept/abstraction it could just mean something you were vague about, like you couldn't say exactly what it is. It could be either an 'everyday' scenario or something more surreal/removed. I appreciate that some people will relate to the first sentence but not the second as well.*Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly.
    Yes, my imaginary world is far more compelling than my real life. *I didn't mean to imply I get bored much in the sense of thinking there's nothing to do. I find there's usually something worth doing and always something to think about or imagine - the trick is in the mind. I do sometimes think immediate reality is amazing actually, but it all depends on current perspective and what aspects I am tuning into.*
    I think that's introverted trait. I can spend hours gazing at a wall, but I have worked out a new plot for a story, figured out my to do list etc. etc.
    [*]Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring.

    *'Sometimes' is key here. It's just another perspective I sometimes adopt, because I don't think reality/the universe has a pre-defined purpose actually.*
    Hmm....I kinda don't agree with this.
    [*]I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc.[*]
    Ah, no.
    I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse).yes

    I'm a card carrying INFP
    Currently submerged under an avalanche of books and paper work. I may come back up for air from time to time.
    Real life awaits and she is a demanding mistress.

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    1. I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective

    Exactly

    2. If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision

    No, I rather decide than be unsure, or at least, set off the process of finding the answer.

    3. I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’

    Yup. Yay introverts.

    4. I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions

    Yup. Yay NFs (and humans in general I guess)

    5. I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression

    Uh, nope. I need acceptance from a few people but I’d rather be comfortable with myself and come off as weird than seek acceptance.

    6. I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary.

    I like solitude but keep a healthy network of friends going. So nope.

    7. I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me

    Hmm, no. Sounds like emotional dependence to me. Or, you’re a woman and just gave birth!!

    8. I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type

    It would be reassuring. Nevertheless, I think a better course of action is to pick and choose what is real for you.

    9. I’ve had a lot of trouble typing, because I see highly contrasting sides to myself, some of which seem incompatible with INFx

    I think that’s normal. There are only 16 types, they can’t possibly account for all nuances. Just pick what is true for you.

    10. I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish

    Good old guilt and shame! Perfectly normal. Just keep on self discovering.

    11. I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction.

    Don’t really know what to say.

    12. Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly

    Me too! Although I escape into future projects rather than leisurely activities.

    13. Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring.

    Is this one of your number 11’s?

    14. I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc.

    I agree, mostly. Although hate is a big word. I tend to keep things minimally organised. I used to be more anal, but not anymore.

    15. I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse).
    My trick is to keep reviewing the plan as new information comes in. For example, I have to deal with many projects at once at work. I have a pre-established plan but modify it every week to make sure it is realistic.

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    [*]I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective (Wrong)

    * i am confident in my perception of right vs wrong. i believe in individualism, gender equality, autonomy, freedom very strongly.
    [*]If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision (Right)

    * i could spend months trying to figure something out until i have that moment. i like to go with life's flow and wait for how things turn out.
    [*]I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’ (Right)
    [*]I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions (Right)

    * not because I enjoy wallowing but because only after I have thought things through and through, I can learn from my mistakes and become a better person. better includes being more competent and ethical. i am a very fast learner because i don't let things slide. i analyze until i have figured it out and learned something. it's like expelling toxin.
    [*]I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression (No)

    * Even though I want to be accepted by everyone, I wouldn't go as far as letting go of my independence.
    [*]I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary. (Right)
    [*]I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me. (...)

    * I naturally feel that some children are an extension of myself when we share important core traits. I don't usually feel that way with grown people though.
    [*]I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type (...)

    There are some really awful and inaccurate perceptions of INFPs and of other typesl. I think more objective but at the same time, the details should be personal and colorful as well. Otherwise, it'd be rather boring and no one will be able to relate to it.
    [*]I’ve had a lot of trouble typing, because I see highly contrasting sides to myself, some of which seem incompatible with INFx (True)
    [*]I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish (Wrong)

    * I forgive all the mistakes I have made regarding being selfish and using bad judgment. It's a part of growing and learning, sometimes it's also about experiencing and experimenting. I have never thought myself as a bad or rotten person. Imperfect, but I believe I am good, compared to all the craps out there.
    [*]I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction. (Right)
    [*]Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly. (Right
    [*]Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring. (Wrong.)

    * I am interested by the reality and I enjoy being anchored to it. That doesn't mean I don't love possibilities because I do. I just hate complete head in the clouds thinking. It's inefficient and useless. I want to see tangible results and walk a tangible path. Reality is extremely important to me.
    [*]I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc. (Wrong)

    I hate being unprepared but I am not a neat-freak.
    [*]I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse). (Right)

    * I like to leave room for options.

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    If I'm an NF (which is not certain), then I'm an INFP. In the other case, I'm an INTP.

    1. I often don’t regard things as right/wrong – it’s often just a matter of perspective

      True! Except for something very sick, like torturing and killing people just for fun-- of course I regard things like that as wrong, bad and horrible!

    2. If I’m not sure what to do about something, I tend to wait for the ‘right’ solution to emerge naturally, rather than force a decision

      True!

    3. I seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to ‘figure things out’

      Hmm... Depends on the "things". I guess, yeah. I spend more time trying to figure out the problem of morality or the universe or a math problem etc. However, usually when people say things like this, they seem to mean that they spend a lot of time trying to figure out their relationships with other people or something like that. I don't think about my relationships with other people all that much. I do try to figure out myself (because I happen to have a lot of emotional problems, for one) but I'm not a relationship-analyser.

    4. I'm often pre-occupied with resolving/exploring negative emotions

      Not really. My therapist actually tells me that I have difficulties even recognising my own emotions. He also says that I seem to guard my painful spots particularly carefully. I guess I should try and explore my pains if that helps me with my depression etc but I'm not too excited about going there. :/

    5. I feel I need other people's acceptance too much – it can interfere with my independence of mind/self-expression

      Yes. Well, as a child I was like this. Now I'm the opposite. I deny myself that I need anyone's acceptance.

    6. I'll isolate myself/risk loneliness to obtain relative independence of mind/self-expression, if necessary.

      Yes.

    7. I can't imagine feeling anyone was an extension of myself – this is a totally alien concept to me

      An extension of myself? Whoa, that sounds sick. :/ What does it mean?

    8. I find typologies like Jung/MBTI/Enneagram overly interpretative – I wish there was a way of objectively establishing type

      Yes, I find typologies only interpretative. I don't know if I even wish there was a way to objectively establish type.

    9. I’ve had a lot of trouble typing, because I see highly contrasting sides to myself, some of which seem incompatible with INFx

      YES!

    10. I often worry about being a ‘rotten’ person deep down, and can feel guilty merely imagining myself as capable of doing something 'bad' or selfish

      No.

    11. I can be highly amused by my own imagined scenarios. Sometimes what is amusing me is just a concept/abstraction.

      Yeah, sure.

    12. Immediate reality tends to bore me. I escape into fantasy regularly.

      Yeah, I guess. Escaping isn't always good, though. I'm learning to meditate and part of meditation is being entirely in the here and the now, not in any fantasy world. So far, meditation (=concentration on immediate reality) has made me feel good, sometimes even miraculous. It has also made me experience that there is a greater truth beyond this immediate world, something that is even beyond imagination and fantasy.

    13. Sometimes I think reality is just there to suggest the possibilities, like the raw material to (psychologically) construct something better or more interesting/inspiring.

      Hmm... I'm not sure what this means, so I guess no.

    14. I hate disorganisation, chaos and being unprepared. I have aids to attempt to ‘tame’ this, e.g. spreadsheets, lists, being tidy etc.

      Partly, yes. However, I am extremely chaotic and disorganised.

    15. I'm more likely to do what the moment suggests as the best thing to do (if it 'suggests' anything) than stick with a pre-prepared plan, if left to my own devices (for better or worse).

      Yeah.

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