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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    It does seem that N's, regardless of E/I preference, have a greater dislike for other people.
    I'd actually wager that general dislike of others tends to be a TJ commodity.

    In my experience, the N adds an element of extracurricular spice to personal suspicion (beyond the socially empirical) to formulate an opinion that matches their perspective of the world at large.

    The NFJ for instance, will often trumpet towards a shared spiritual association with others, whereas the NTP likely views people as supporting variables within a greater cultural machine.

    Does anyone agree/disagree?

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    What in hee-haw hell is going on here.

    I haven't slept in 22 hrs.

    who are you people?

    I love my internet strangers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post
    Butterfuly? how do you know me? lol maybe I am defined by others??

    Which the truth be told I am to some extent, though like i said above, not once that defination starts to impinge upon my values...

    mind you when I was younger, I'd have fought tooth and nail that no one defined me but me (which is actually true.. I after all choose to wear the labels others give me or I dont)
    Dom, I dont really know you, but being an ENFP I can say that yes there may be certain aspects which are defined by others....BUT there is a BIG hidden side to us that others dont see and understand!!
    Also its the self perception/image Versus Image which others see you in.
    My public image might be different or a part of who I really am.! And that part is hidden ....deeeeeepppp in the dungeons Only special ppl can see it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post

    I've described it like this, ENFPs bend and blend to accomodate others, too much too esily really. Then when that accomodation intrudes into our values, we stop accomodating and people see this as harsh, a sudden cold change, when really it is a response to people continually not appreicating or not caring that we are compromising...
    Very well said!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    I'd actually wager that general dislike of others tends to be a TJ commodity.
    No Night! Don't create a new stereotype! But...I'm too scared to disagree with you...

    In my experience, the N adds an element of extracurricular spice to personal suspicion (beyond the socially empirical) to formulate an opinion that matches their perspective of the world at large.
    You think both Dom Ni and Dom Ne would be the same? Hmm. K. I don't think you do but you never seem wrong that it'd seem fun to tease you. (((I take it back! ))) erm.. Not only with the world at large but in particular to themselves too. Extracurricular spice.

    The NFJ for instance, will often trumpet towards a shared spiritual association with others, whereas the NTP likely views people as supporting variables within a greater cultural machine.
    Ah, I feel safe again. What about NFP or NTJ? Not safe again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    No Night! Don't create a new stereotype! But...I'm too scared to disagree with you...



    You think both Dom Ni and Dom Ne would be the same? Hmm. K. I don't think you do but you never seem wrong that it'd seem fun to tease you. (((I take it back! ))) erm.. Not only with the world at large but in particular to themselves too. Extracurricular spice.



    Ah, I feel safe again. What about NFP or NTJ? Not safe again!
    Too funny, DD.

    Ecosystems vary based on atmosphere and geography. The MBTI provides an approximate legend into the generalities of our shared condition. Like any system of life, complex biological networks are ultimately responsible for the traits we identify and link to certain species. Alongside this, we find behaviors that absolutely confound our expectations and cause us to re-evaluate our understanding altogether...

    As such, dominant and inferior traits can be linked - if not in (immediate) expression than certainly in habitat.

    We just need more omnivores, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    What in hee-haw hell is going on here.

    I haven't slept in 22 hrs.

    who are you people?

    I love my internet strangers

    DDNocapCCnemoDD
    You altered it! LOL! I was so going to complain that I should be in the middle...but this is better. I'll do a wrap-around and Ni-squish all your Nes' from escaping. Focus the scattered. Ah.


    I haven't slept....oh damn, I can't even recall since when... and we're not strangers anymore. Hmph. (Aren't we more than that?! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Too funny, DD.
    I'm sure ENTPs are spitting fire about now. Or one I know might..

    Ecosystems vary based on atmosphere and geography. The MBTI provides an approximate legend into the generalities of our shared condition. Like any system of life, complex biological networks are ultimately responsible for the traits we identify and link to certain species. Alongside this, we find behaviors that absolutely confound our expectations and cause us to re-evaluate our understanding altogether...
    Yes. I think that the behaviours which confound our current expectations are due to collective shifting of consciousness which is new/unknown. Biological d/evolution, albeit constrastingly and/or complimentary (mostly or--). Those who succeed, the few, complimentary whom likely accept even the worse states because they understand them and want to know them as they'd know they are still complimentary to each other (learning from them too, to keep improving from mistakes). The others, the many, contrastingly whom likely reject the better states because they misunderstand and fear them. But should they connect, it's beautiful and some of the many change too. I doubt it's an often coalescence-- I think those who contrast both ways really succeed in furthering the species along and steer their behaviours/consciousness while the few struggle on with their continued higher evolving existences...at least, I think that's more so currently the case but that there is shifting again which may be more positive (it's just a matter of time before it's either fully rejected/weeded out in favour of the contrast by the majority or half accepted..maybe fully...doubt it..). Re-evaluation will be seen as positive by those who find it meaningful or 'advantageous' to them, regardless if it's good or not. Or it'll be seen as 'advantageous' much too late by later generations who realised the error of the past. The cycle continues.. I hope I made sense, running on old Ni-energy.

    Ah, I feel a bit jaded.

    As such, dominant and inferior traits can be linked - if not in (immediate) expression than certainly in habitat.
    You mean all the CP traits. I take Inferior to mean the 4th Inferior only. And yes, I believe that in order to evolve within our Type we need to balance and enhance the full spectrum of our CPs. When we do, we become Emotionally Healthy and Emotionally Mature, remaining so for long periods of time. Should we become Emotionally Unhealthy and Immature (there are various mixtures of all four which I've created...), it won't last as long because we had the self-awareness to recognise our bad habits/stresses and we can accept without guilt and move on. Becoming Emotionally happier, healthier people again!

    Ah, I feel a bit joyed!

    We just need more omnivores, no?
    Not only that but we need to be self-aware in order to discern that everything taken will be used well and discarded without fear of doing so. Not self-deceitful, right?

    Edit: I think these non-ENFP/ENTP posts should be in another Thread. (and I don't mean the teasing posts, either lol)
    Last edited by zarc; 03-15-2008 at 05:06 AM.

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    OK, this is ending up a pretty interesting conversation. This relates to thinking-feeling preference ideas. soooo.
    It sounds like we've got there, but I'll mention it anyway. Nice and mean don't really mean anything out of context.
    I admit I haven't sorted out the ENTP thing yet. They usually seem 'nice' to me, but with introverted thinking, they might either actively call bullshit on something, and they can play devil's advocate as a way of trying to get others to better define thier principles.
    All ENFPs probably like to think of themselves as nice. For ENFPs, the high amount of value judgement going on can make others uncomfortable. ENFPs often say that they hate a person or an organization with no restraint. People who have been judged by introverted feeling often find themselves ignored or directly disrespected.
    -both extraverted intuition types can seem inconsiderate- being over-heroic-here's an example over-heroic extraverted perception (I'm not sure if it's ne or se yet): YouTube - Mozart Vs Salieri

    speaking of mozart, if you want an example of Fi-Te (mainly Fi), here it is.
    YouTube - S. Ramey & K. Moll "The Commendatore Scene" Don Giovanni

    Also, with this stuff, there's a shadow component that can't be ignored. People are really nice about some stuff, but internalizing/indignant/rebellious about other stuff. If ENFPs were to use Ti principles and devil's advocate, it would be as a weapon. When faced with introverted thinking judgements an ENFP might say "What the hell is that supposed to mean" or they might just diliberately misunderstand the point/make fun of it-shadow stuff always means someone will probably act undiplomatic and overly defensive.

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