User Tag List

First 7151617181927 Last

Results 161 to 170 of 311

Thread: ENFP vs. ENTP

  1. #161
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    Zzzz
    Posts
    2,629

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    i was being sarcastic
    CC was likely playing along lol

    my apologies for being unclear about this... i was giving my input on the matter, not arguing against giving someone practical aid. i often quote the sentence that got me thinking about something, that's where my ideas tie into the discussion.
    You remind me of my ISTP best/f. I used to constantly need to confirm where she was coming from as she'd be unclear or begin a new topic of discussion without warning while we were discussing someone or something else. Or she won't clarify or give reference but expect me to know what she means.

    Even though I *knew* and still *know* where she was coming from or that she just borrowed from something which got her t(h)inking or what she means, I sometimes remind her "Clarify!" But mostly I don't bother because I know how she flows and as long as I can follow along, it's good. She's learned to be more clear with me too. But I'll remind her with others or I'll inform others when they looked puzzled. LOL She's so much fun though! Esp. when she breaks social norms or doesn't care how crass she is or insensitive when she questions something or someone... though defending or explaining for her or TO her can be a pain

    I dread the "Why?" which she mostly uses to tease me...and then I tease her with "Because." "Why?" and then I (teasingly) go into a long droning which she'll then tell me to "STFU, I get it! I know!"

  2. #162
    Senior Member Grayscale's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    MBTI
    istp
    Posts
    1,962

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Oh okay, I understand then. What about an ISTP who needs perspective but won't take it, how would you recommend handling that person? Serious question.
    if someone wont listen to perspective, they'll have to fail to get it.

  3. #163
    RETIRED CzeCze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    GONE
    Posts
    9,051

    Default

    I think there's a lot to be said for NT detachment. ENTP's I think can really highlight what this means because on the surface, ENTPs and ENFPs can both seem very sociable, gregarious, and 'nice'.

    But, NFs are more ego attached and place more importance on their own feelings and the feelings of others and pretty much embody an ocean of feeling. ENTP may consider everyone's feelings, but it's more strategic or analytical and not necessarily empathising. So the analyses of the same situation and their involvement can be VERY different.

    As far as the comment that ENFPs can be crude and mean in their arguments (I disagree) and ENTPs present ideas in a charming way, I think detachment and misinterpreting people's intentions may come into play.

    It's REALLY easy to be charming and sociable consistently when presenting an idea because you don't really care either way about it nor really invested in the people and easy to seem vicious when you are personally heart invested in something.

    This is not a dig at ENTP but in general, I don't take too many pitches very seriously. Everyone has their own agenda and just because someone is polite or charming doesn't mean they give a fpersonal fuck about you, if anything, they are just good at what they do and more concerned about getting their point across, making the sale, convincing people they're awesome, caught up in enthusiasm, what have you.

    Maybe it's because of the fields I'm naturally drawn to - entertainment, politics, sales, etc. -- but seriously, don't take what you see on the surface too seriously.

    But generally to get to the real substance and the heart of the matter sometimes you just can't package that nicely or be slick about it. I think this is where the cries of NT callousness and jerky behavior and NF hysterical blood-letting come in.

    Maybe ENFP moreso than ENTP is ready and able to get "down and dirty" with things because we see that as a necessary part of life and a given when you care deeply about things. I think for many NTs either that seems crude or unecessary. They prefer the strategic detachment thing or else they are capable of being ruthless but simply don't see it as beingn ruthless. They place place no negative value on the emotional fallout or hurt they may cause because they're looking at it from a totally other angle (their own) and everything else is secondary or inevitable.

    I think it's true though that if an ENFP is being extremely cutting, it IS intentional and they ARE aware of it. However, what you intepret as viciousness may very well just be an ENFP getting very enthusiastic about something in our own way and we aren't intentionally trying to hurt someone or being personal. I guess you'd have to ask the ENFP. I've said this elsewhere but ENFPs can launch brutal personal attacks but we won't because that's generally totally against our values.
    Last edited by CzeCze; 03-15-2008 at 09:13 PM. Reason: too long
    “If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.” ― Oscar Wilde

    "I'm outtie 5000" ― Romulux

    Johari/Nohari

  4. #164
    mrs disregard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    INFP
    Posts
    7,855

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    I think there's a lot to be said for NT detachment. ENTP's I think can really highlight what this means because on the surface, ENTPs and ENFPs can both seem very sociable, gregarious, and 'nice'.

    But, NFs are more ego attached and place more importance on their own feelings and the feelings of others and pretty much embody an ocean of feeling. ENTP may consider everyone's feelings, but it's more strategic or analytical and not necessarily empathising. So the analyses of the same situation and their involvement can be VERY different.

    As far as the comment that ENFPs can be crude and mean in their arguments (I disagree) and ENTPs present ideas in a charming way, I think detachment and misinterpreting people's intentions may come into play.

    It's REALLY easy to be charming and sociable consistently when presenting an idea because you don't really care either way about it nor really invested in the people and easy to seem vicious when you are personally heart invested in something.

    This is not a dig at ENTP but in general, I don't take too many pitches very seriously. Everyone has their own agenda and just because someone is polite or charming doesn't mean they give a fpersonal fuck about you, if anything, they are just good at what they do and more concerned about getting their point across, making the sale, convincing people they're awesome, caught up in enthusiasm, what have you.

    Maybe it's because of the fields I'm naturally drawn to - entertainment, politics, sales, etc. -- but seriously, don't take what you see on the surface too seriously.

    But generally to get to the real substance and the heart of the matter sometimes you just can't package that nicely or be slick about it. I think this is where the cries of NT callousness and jerky behavior and NF hysterical blood-letting come in.

    Maybe ENFP moreso than ENTP is ready and able to get "down and dirty" with things because we see that as a necessary part of life and a given when you care deeply about things. I think for many NTs either that seems crude or unecessary. They prefer the strategic detachment thing or else they are capable of being ruthless but simply don't see it as beingn ruthless. They place place no negative value on the emotional fallout or hurt they may cause because they're looking at it from a totally other angle (their own) and everything else is secondary or inevitable.

    I think it's true though that if an ENFP is being extremely cutting, it IS intentional and they ARE aware of it.
    However, what you intepret as viciousness may very well just be an ENFP getting very enthusiastic about something in our own way and we aren't intentionally trying to hurt someone or being personal. I guess you'd have to ask the ENFP. I've said this elsewhere but ENFPs can launch brutal personal attacks but we won't because that's generally totally against our values.
    Very nice points.

  5. #165
    no clinkz 'til brooklyn Nocapszy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    4,516

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    I ain't no mod, nor admin.

    So, no need for my permission.

    IMO, participation is damn near always welcome, so yes, please continue.
    That's a dangerous invitation miss Chick.
    we fukin won boys

  6. #166
    Senior Member alcea rosea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7w6
    Socionics
    ????
    Posts
    3,665

    Default

    ENFP vs. ENTP

    NF and NT temperaments.
    There is quite huge difference in there.

  7. #167
    Junior Member pinkchandelier's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Posts
    25

    Default

    I'm an ENFP with an ENTP best friend, and we always joke that our dynamic is exactly like julie andrews (me) and carol burnett (her) when they used to perform together at Carnegie Hall.

  8. #168
    Earth Exalted Thursday's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    8w9 sp/sx
    Socionics
    LIE
    Posts
    3,965

    Default

    ENFP = Sarah Silverman
    ENTP = Eminem
    I N V I C T U S

  9. #169
    RETIRED CzeCze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    GONE
    Posts
    9,051

    Default

    Oh gawd, two celebs I dislike for similar reasons.

    Some people think Ani Difranco is an ENFP.

    Dr. Who (all...11 of them?) is a good ENTP...
    “If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.” ― Oscar Wilde

    "I'm outtie 5000" ― Romulux

    Johari/Nohari

  10. #170
    `~~Philosoflying~~` SillySapienne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    4w5
    Posts
    9,849

    Default

    Ani DiFranco is an ENFP, period.

    `
    'Cause you can't handle me...

    "A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." - David Stevens

    "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is."

    Veritatem dies aperit

    Ride si sapis

    Intelligentle sparkles

Similar Threads

  1. Video: ENFP vs ENTP
    By highlander in forum Typology Videos and RSS Feeds
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-18-2015, 09:03 PM
  2. ENFP vs. ENTP and the way that they type words onto the screen
    By The Great One in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 07-18-2013, 05:21 PM
  3. ENFP vs. ENTP in social situations
    By The Great One in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 01-14-2013, 05:20 PM
  4. ENFP vs ENTP?
    By Doctorjuice in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: 06-02-2012, 02:29 PM
  5. enfp vs entp
    By findthejake in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 12-23-2007, 12:53 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO