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    Quote Originally Posted by Noon View Post
    While we're at it, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not trying to be insulting or condescending...not sure exactly how I'm actually coming across though (connecting my latest comment with my last one in the SJ thread makes it seem all the more hostile ). But I genuinely thought it (the comment about lifestyle and expensiveness) was funny (because of the irony mostly; ime many young Ss tend to want to spend a lot of money on things like clothes and hair and games and etc, which ends up imo being more expensive than I think is really necessary). Anyway, sorry if I've offended you.
    The reason I agreed with this..Is that INXXs are known as minimalists and can be quite frugal and even miserly. Since that covers half the N spectrum there is definitely fallacy in the statement that Ns are more likely to live an expensive lifestyle than Ss.
    perhaps ENXXs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren View Post
    I can't tell you how familiar this is to me. As far as being driven insane, we both drove each other insane, a case of who will spill the feelings first or jump into each other's arms (which we did in the beginning when it was innocent and unguarded). Only love could cause such inner havoc and make my head spin. We didn't manipulate each other (perhaps just a few times in that crazy phase) but when you feel it's mutual but one or the other is afraid to say something: absolutely crazy making. He's smart and we can read each other's minds almost to the point where no words are needed, which, wonderful though it is, can make you climb a wall (how many ways to say "crazy" Words are definitely needed (or action) just to take the thing out of the clouds. Sorry to digress...
    It was a worthy digression.. Makes me realize the lost potential, which is kind of sad to think about sometimes.. Maybe it will teach me something about taking care of what I value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I agree on the "reading" part. Ne tries entertaining and juggling different perspectives, but the influencing is more casual, not as orchestrating or linear like it'd have to be with manipulation. They're not ones to drive a point in specific directions like Si and Ni, but just toss about different possibilities for people (if other people are involved, that is). Infectious kind of (via their convictions or enthusiasm or something), but not exactly affecting.
    Okay, well then, if you are trying to manipulate with a specific long term goal Ni probably takes the cake. HOWEVER, if you are just trying to charm the pants off of someone with your spontaneous wit and fascinating random dialogue that ties into your prey's deepest desires and insecurities Ne cannot be trumped.
    With dreamers, pure and simple, the imagination remains a vaguely sketched inner affair. It is not embodied in any aesthetic or practical invention. Reverie is the equivalent of weak desires. Dreamers are the aboulics of the creative imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thessaly View Post
    HOWEVER, if you are just trying to charm the pants off of someone with your spontaneous wit and fascinating random dialogue that ties into your prey's deepest desires and insecurities Ne cannot be trumped.
    DING DING DING!!!
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    No, I wouldn't put that past Ne either. Fair enough. I find myself not wanting to get under anyone's skin like that though. I had an ENFJ boss, wonderful woman.. but I could see that she was kind of wonderful to everyone. One day, I found out a secret about her. I wanted to test her with it. I was risking whatever friendship there was by bringing it up, but I had to do it.. I wanted to know if she could be real (not to say ENFJs can't be.. I'm just talking about her). Basically, my reasoning was that it'd help me trust a lot of other things she'd say.. because she almost seemed too good to be true and I was getting pulled in by it. Needless to say, I saw her kind of slightly jerk when I mentioned it. It turned out OK though.

    Sometimes I want to cut off all pretensions and see if people can be real. If I'm going to be sneaky, I generally don't want anything other than truth. Not more manipulation. That steamrolls into some kind of mess where everyone's full of shit and lying to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thessaly View Post
    HOWEVER, if you are just trying to charm the pants off of someone with your spontaneous wit and fascinating random dialogue that ties into your prey's deepest desires and insecurities Ne cannot be trumped.
    Ne and Fi, guilty as charged

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I had an ENFJ boss, wonderful woman.. but I could see that she was kind of wonderful to everyone.[...] I wanted to know if she could be real (not to say ENFJs can't be.. I'm just talking about her). Basically, my reasoning was that it'd help me trust a lot of other things she'd say.. because she almost seemed too good to be true and I was getting pulled in by it.
    yes, i understand this. i have felt a similar way with an ENFJ - wonderful wonderful person but so much more complex and fascinating and wonderful inside than what you're allowed to see outside his "walls" - though that veneer is really quite "perfect" - intelligent, friendly, competent, and successful. admittedly it's very satisfying to finally get permission from the other person to see through that exterior, since Fe and Ni is a very hard combination to earn intimacy and trust with... plus a person's flaws make them more tangible, more accessible, more utterly beautifully human.

    in addition to liking him that much more, i also feel like i can trust him more now that i understand him inside a bit better. because otherwise (Ne?)Fi keeps picking up on the disconnect between internal and external, and you know there's a difference, you just don't know what's behind the walls. it could be - probably is - generous and well-intended, a little insecure, a little critical, generally a lovely bright complex person who is distancing their internal self for the sake of self-protection. but then there's the off chance that it could be a person who is using you to get what they want, and who is distancing their internal self so you do not see their real motives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noon View Post
    While we're at it, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not trying to be insulting or condescending...not sure exactly how I'm actually coming across though (connecting my latest comment with my last one in the SJ thread makes it seem all the more hostile ). But I genuinely thought it (the comment about lifestyle and expensiveness) was funny (because of the irony mostly; ime many young Ss tend to want to spend a lot of money on things like clothes and hair and games and etc, which ends up imo being more expensive than I think is really necessary). Anyway, sorry if I've offended you.
    you haven't offended me

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