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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    I share my "controversial" views probably more than I should. I also believe that all discourse should ideally take form as an intellectual debate where the object is to become closer at grasping/understanding the "truth" underlying the subjective perceptions of it.
    All truth is subjective, even the laws of math and physics. We just accept them as absolute truths because they hold up to our subjective scrutiny in the form of empirical evidence. We need some kind of baseline to build upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Regarding poor judgment in relationships:

    Can happen because ENFPs naturally see potentials in people, if we see unique qualities we like, & we're able to connect with the person, we may overlook negative features--much depends on the value system of the ENFP--also it gets particularly dangerous if the person appears to get us, we can get along with all sorts of people, but it's the rare person that truly understands us & doesn't judge us.
    Are you sure you're an NF? This sounds a lot like NT reasoning to me, not at all N(F)luffy.

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    You realize I was quoting chatoyer.

    And... yes, I am an NF.

    Also I could write a dissertation on, not so much my poor judgment in relationships, but rather my seemingly persistent, albeit ironic, "I'm an ENFP, aren't I?" bad luck/inability to form meaningful romantic relationships.

    Meh, men!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chatoyer View Post
    Can happen because ENFPs naturally see potentials in people, if we see unique qualities we like, & we're able to connect with the person, we may overlook negative features--much depends on the value system of the ENFP--also it gets particularly dangerous if the person appears to get us, we can get along with all sorts of people, but it's the rare person that truly understands us & doesn't judge us.
    Should have quoted you in my previous post, sorry! And I call myself a software developer. Nice post though. I liked it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatoyer View Post
    A mile off? That's too far, I'll take it more loosely, as "from a distance":

    --Talkative and playful with dramatic, frequent facial expressions

    --Fidgety, scattered, losing things

    --Something unusual in our appearance, but may be subtle, we (girls especially) usually don't dress in the no-nonsense, practical, functional way of SJs & NTs

    --Creative & artsy & multifaceted--this leaks out in our diversity of interests, in our choice of friends, in ways we spend our time

    --Direct attention to the person we're talking to, we can come off intense if in our interrogator-journalist mode (it's a compliment if we're mining you for information, you've intrigued us in some way)

    --Breezy, cheerful demeanor--if we're down or sick, you usually won't see it unless you're a trusted friend or family member

    Up close:

    --Meandering tangential conversation chock-full of crazy analogies

    --A genuine connection, we adapt to the person we're talking to

    --If we show vulnerability in sharing our negative emotions or in an interpersonal failure, know that you are in the inner circle of friends--most people just see the sunny, optimistic, irreverent side
    Yes, wonderful. The only things quoted that don't fit me are "fidgety or scattered" (though I may have been when I was younger), and the interrogator thing (which I believe was discussed in another thread also). I tend to want to ask people all kinds of questions to get to know them better, but I seldom actually do that because I don't want to invade their privacy, as it were.

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    I've realized there's an abundance of ENFP's here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    I felt like drawing a picture. I'm much better with pictures than words anyway. The picture shows how judgers (J) are most comfortable making decisions quickly, whereas perceivers (P) are most comfortable keeping options open. Perceivers may jump between possible solutions many times before arriving at a final decision. By now, however, the decsion may be too far removed from the reality of the problem leading to a faulty decision. Of course, perceivers don't make bad decisions all the time, just shows how we can. But it does make perceivers more flexible and generally more creative and fun.

    "ENFPs sometimes make serious errors in judgment. They have an amazing ability to intuitively perceive the truth about a person or situation, but when they apply judgment to their perception, they may jump to the wrong conclusions. "

    Source: Portrait of an ENFP
    Thanks for that.
    But I disagree with it. If I understood it correctly...it meant that by the time we make a decision, its too late?? and we are regretting it?
    I doubt thats the case with ONLY ENFPs....as many decision on retrospect seem like there was not full information available. Its the BOUNDED RATIONALITY theory....ie we only have limited information to make decisions....so there will ALWAYS be some sort of regret of various intensities.

    I dont see it as an ENFP problem only.

    As for the other youtube chic....yeah im not saying shes not ENFP, but rather shes not the healthy ENFP. Yes she seems to suffer from low self esteem.



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    Are you sure you're an NF? This sounds a lot like NT reasoning to me, not at all N(F)luffy.
    I'm the brand of NF that wants reason & emotion/heart & head to come together on these decisions.... I can't be alone, I'm sure with that view among NFs.

    (but I am married to a hardcore NT, which may influence me a bit)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Meh, men!
    Yeah, it's got to be us.
    we fukin won boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    You saying she's a mouse??
    No, it's just a coincidence that I find happens. I have a similar method of capturing ISTJs using nothing but a bit of wafer and a polo mint sitting on a radiator.
    Why do we always come here?

    I guess we'll never know.

    It's like a kind of torture,
    To have to watch this show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mort Belfry View Post
    No, it's just a coincidence that I find happens. I have a similar method of capturing ISTJs using nothing but a bit of wafer and a polo mint sitting on a radiator.
    LOL...nice technique!! Wonder what technique I should use to try spotting INTPs...mmmmmmm

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