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    It's maybe subjectivity towards time perception that plays a trick on your mind . No I am convinced she's infp for some months now, havent changed my opinion about that in that time
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I thought your gf was INFJ? She seems to morph back and forth from INFP to INFJ, depending on the thread topic. Or am I just not catching onto the fact that you have 2 girlfriends ?

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    In regards to the OP, I too have witnessed Ne-doms masterfully wiggle out of corners using "creative reasoning" to justify certain actions or statements when they've realized they've backed themselves into that corner. It can be impossible to argue with one who refuses to back down, because they become increasingly irrational, and the ones who are good at it will take others along down their faulty path of reasoning. They just start creating lines of reasoning without any regard to what is real, valid or even relevant to the original topic, just so as to avoid backtracking or admitting a wrong turn. I always get this mental image of some cartoon character backed against a brick wall in a chase, and then they draw a door on it, and suddenly it is real & they open it and run down a corridor that did not exist before. Ne-doms draw these doors all over the place - and it's like, "Where the hell did that come from?! You can't do that!!".

    It's kind of a "hand is quicker than the eye" thing, only here the Ne is quicker than the ear, so if you aren't following their argument very carefully, it might seem something close to logic. It fools many and frustrates those who see through it.

    But rest assured, INPs are capable of this also . It's definitely an immaturity thing, or when one has a moment of being childish (which even generally mature people will have at times).


    Exactly what I was talking about!! I love the whole escaping down corridors that really don't exist thing. Perfect.

    It seems when INPs try to do this, they are more likely to stop and be like, wait, this is kinda messed up...at least in IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychedelicPlatypus View Post
    Exactly what I was talking about!! I love the whole escaping down corridors that really don't exist thing. Perfect.

    It seems when INPs try to do this, they are more likely to stop and be like, wait, this is kinda messed up...at least in IMO...
    Being Ji-dom, we're more likely to pause & "judge" first, yes. It may irk an INTP to argue in a logically inconsistent manner, and an INFP will be loathe to compromise their integrity. But we're guilty sometimes also....
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    Ne can be too bouncy. It makes me feel jostled. I can go along for a little while and then I start to scowl and stare straight ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychedelicPlatypus
    seeming to constantly and intuitively grab details from their surroundings, and connect things in a way that tend to justify (or inspire) their lies and attempts to manipulate rules and such to their advantage or view point.
    i do not doubt this at all... but neither do i think that it's particularly intentional.

    just as other functions have their strengths, Ne users see connections, in everything. we are always intuiting from the external environment... even though we're pretty expressive, you're probably not getting to see 99% of the connections those people make, because they don't influence them to do anything that seems out of line from normal. what you are seeing, on the other hand, are the connections that help the ENxP to slip around things others can't normally slip around, for better or for worse.

    i'll admit, i've used this to get out of situations. it's almost never a preconceived manipulation, an "oh i'll get out of this", it's just a trust in the existence of all possibilities and the utilization of that trust to find loopholes and avoid situations that seem unpleasant. it makes an ENxP an awesome person to have around when things are not going as planned, but equally it gives us the ability to be real jackasses when it comes to evading things we dislike.

    like EW said -

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    At its best, Ne can see connections that others do not. What one does with those connections is up to the individual's personal agenda and ethical maturity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled
    It's kind of a "hand is quicker than the eye" thing, only here the Ne is quicker than the ear, so if you aren't following their argument very carefully, it might seem something close to logic. It fools many and frustrates those who see through it.


    trueee

    don't feel bad if you're fooled though. we fool ourselves by accident sometimes too. ever see an ENxP make it halfway through the argument, pause, and look lost? that's when it strikes them that they're arguing something they totally don't even believe in, just because they are able to explain how it works.

    also, fwiw, Ni confuses the hell out of me, and i feel like Ni users rig the game to their advantage sometimes. it's the other side of the N coin, i figure.

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