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    I don't think I really am. Unless being interested in the best way to do things irl and why people do what they do, etc counts.
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    Both. I don't think it's pretentious to say you're something if you do whatever that something entails. Having ideas and rationalising is part of being human, so I'd dare say that everyone is a potential philosopher. In my case, it's just another component in my life and identity, and it doesn't define me as a whole- not even close.

    What would make it pretentious is if you gave being a philosopher such meaning and pomp as to elevate yourself above the heads of others. Any pretentious person can do that with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't think I really am. Unless being interested in the best way to do things irl and why people do what they do, etc counts.
    No, that's probably in Ni territory with Fe secondary, you have internal ideas that wish to be expressed but directed amongst people rather than systems. I suppose that since Ti is tertiary in your type, you become more interested in why people do things.

    With the INTJ, I think, there is more an interest in telling people what to do based upon their values because of tertiary Fi. Secondary Te gives the INTJ the quiet control-freak tendency...with me, I tend to lead (or boss people around) in my mind because I never feel confident enough to actually do it the way an ExTJ would. On a good day, I have ideas in my mind, but I'm just too impatient with going through the details of realizing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Do you consider yourself a philosopher or do you have philosophical viewpoints like so many descriptions say you do?
    No.

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    In a sense I do because I seek knowledge and truth for the sake of knowledge and truth. Plus I am capable of "global" (as in from many different perspectives) rational thought and use it to form my beliefs and values. I also use this kind of thought when counseling others with their problems, it (most of the time) helps them put things into perspective.

    I get the honor of taking 6 required philosophy classes at the university I go to, too. If I wasn't exposed like I have been so far I think things would be a little different.
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    I think I'm philosophically-minded, and I probably come across to others as being kinda philosophical/serious/thoughtful. And for a few yrs in my early 20's I was *really* into philosophy and reading up on a lot of the philosophers and developing my own views.

    I kinda agree w/ Kiddo, at least in terms of my own views:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo
    But I will agree, that when it comes to true philosophy, in the sense of not becoming too emotionally invested in ideas, INXJs are limited because of their dominant intuition. I think INTJs tend to be dogmatics of reason and INFJs tend to be dogmatics of perception. In fact, every INFJ vs. INTJ debate eventually deteriorates into an argument of reason vs. perception.
    I feel like I can 'understand' a lot of the various views, and I understand pure 'reason', but I tend to reject pure reason because I don't think it covers the full picture. Is it important and valid? Oh, certainly. But I don't view the world through a lens of pure reason. So I'm definitely one who leans more towards perception.

    When I read about all of the philosophers, I remember I noting that the respective philosophies were tied to the philosophers' temperament. There were more pragmatic philosophies, extremely idealistic ones, very rational/logical ones....and I viewed all of them as pieces. Each philosopher was 'limited', in a sense, to how his own brain was wired to process and perceive the world, and this is a main reason for why I don't latch onto any ONE philosophy/view. All of us are limited to a degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascademn View Post
    All of us are limited to a degree.
    Perhaps you are just a dogmatic of perception.

    You realize to dogmatics of reason (a good share of INTJs) you are anti-rational because you would even suggest such a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Perhaps you are just a dogmatic of perception.

    You realize to dogmatics of reason (a good share of INTJs) you are anti-rational because you would even suggest such a thing.
    Touche. Sure, I concede this!!

    But it's my very point. Everyone seems to be 'dogmatic' in one sense or another. Even the non-dogmatic's are dogmatic in their non-dogmatic-ed'ness. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascademn View Post
    Touche. Sure, I concede this!!

    But it's my very point. Everyone seems to be 'dogmatic' in one sense or another. Even the non-dogmatic's are dogmatic in their non-dogmatic-ed'ness. :-)


    Those would be the Skeptics, and they are perhaps the most dogmatic, because they dare to question everything. How dare they assert that doubt is not to be doubted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    In accordance of the question asked to the SPs, I'd like to know this truth about NFs. Do you consider yourself a philosopher or do you have philosophical viewpoints like so many descriptions say you do?
    No. In the past, I've enjoyed reading some overviews of philosophy and engaging in some light philosophizing of my own. IOW, I enjoy playing with it at the "pop philosophy" level. But when it gets down to reading the actual writings of philosophers like Spinoza or Descartes or Hegel, I lose interest pretty quickly.

    I'm more interested in things like religion and psychology. They are more oriented toward personal and cultural experience (subjective views on the world and universe), and I do enjoy reading the source texts in those disciplines for the most part.

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