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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffi97 View Post
    It's sweeping statements like these that make me completely uninterested in learning more about the Cognitive Processes. This is way overinterpreting, IMO.
    What's so sweeping about this?
    Quote Originally Posted by DD
    INFP Fi is concentrated on their feelings and it's hard to disengage (not to make them sound brooding---) as it's their 1st Cognitive Process. I'd think it'd be harder for them to disconnect from their emotions easily. The metaphor TK made is POWERFUL and it really makes me agree with it. And then sciski's tornado with Fe is POWERFUL too. But to carry the black hole further, an Fe will suck it IN and spit it OUT whereas Fi sucks IN and keeps it IN.
    INFP has Introverted Feeling as their 1st CP. And I did say 'not to make them sound brooding' and have consistently said here and elsewhere that ALL Types can be brooding, it's all in how one displays it. It would be harder for an INFP to disengage their feelings as Fi implies Introvert but it doesn't mean they CAN'T just as INFJ Introverted Intuition as their 1st CP doesn't mean they can't get out of their Introverted visions. We all gotta live in the real world but what drives you out there? I'd ask heart or another INFP to better explain how Extroverted Intution their 2nd CP drives them with being more open with possibilities from outside + from other's viewsand not 'narrowing' them like an INFJ may do. I can safely say that for an INFJ with Extroverted Feeling as their 2nd CP, we want to connect to the feelings of other's and comment lol!, whether it's listening to a person's stories or telling someone off (more commenting) for not being appropriate or hurting someone, rightly or WRONGLY . Any Type can do it but how? The feelings of other's are stronger felt for an INFJ than their own (unless better developed). Which can sometimes lead to bias for 'the wronged' person or loss of perspective if their Introverted Inuition has narrowed the "vision" and "feeling" and won't allow them to think of another possibility. An INFP, from what I understand, will be better with prospective b/c their Introverted Feeling maintains their view. That isn't to say either is better at being at "listening" or "counselling" whathave you.

    When we react to stress, our Type shows how we do get trapped by our CP. An INFP might disengage from people or an INFJ might go into a tailspin of wanting to help others by not dealing with their own problems as heart mentioned in an earlier post. I should have added about INFP/INFJ "INFJ Fe will suck other people's feelings IN and spit OUT their observations from Ni/feelings of the people sometimes whereas INFP Fi sucks IN their feelings and the observances/feelings of other's through Ne and keeps it IN sometimes.

    Any INFP reading this *coughheartcough * thinking I didn't mark them well enough, please tell me. I love learning about you all

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    Quote Originally Posted by DD
    It's just that both sucking Dom Fi and sucking/spitting out Fe will depend on the person's maturity with dealing on both fronts. But you still prefer one or the other.
    Learning about CP is what makes you better understand your Type. INFJs are want to do such a thing as we want to "know". We are Directing and we want to assign 'roles' and 'define' things clearly, to be somewhat general. We want to know our relation to people and how we're viewed by them. We want to know our role as well as their role . I am not saying you aren't an INFJ either. This is also why I keep saying it will depend on the differences in rearing + environments + circumstances make people of the same Type look a bit different. But CP will always be the same with Type. When CP is elucidated for a person and they realise how they tick, it becomes clear I will ask though if you've visited that INFJ or INFP page by an INFJ named Vicky Jo who is Specialist in Typology and her aim is not to 'box people' as we ALL can use the wide range of CP and learn to vary our preferred Communication Styles. She doesn't want people to be just be stuck on the top 4 CP or that we can't 'evolve' to overcome our problems and preferrances. If you read the rest of my posts you'll see I'm trying to do the same b/c I hate generalising AND the miconceptions (mainly about INFPs being put down and INFJs praised) and my aim is in widening the understanding differences which are both ugly and beautiful about INFPs and INFJs. I hope this hasn't offended you

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffi97
    I'm married to an INFP and my only sister is married to an ISTP. Based on my experience with these two types, this statement is patently untrue.
    (Erroneously said heart! Eep!)

    Have you read all about the CP of them or read in depth about ISTPs? I'm assuming you have but I'm a bit stumped if you haven't read their childlike (and childISH) behaviour--One thing is flitting/reacting emotionally or seeming almost ADD with their "Sensing". They're generally adrenaline-junkies (whether doing or liking it) as well as "studious" or intensely focused when it comes to work or to people they feel like focusing on. And for your later post about the ISTP you know (not sure if it's the same one) blaming people and his wife would listen, I 100% agree it happens. My best friend IS like that, while being childlike and childish at times. ISTPs can be EXTREMELY dogmatic about their opinions, always believing THEY'RE right, and criticsing other's if they can't see that the 'logic' matches their own (Ti is their 1st CP so big bias lol) or they feel it doesn't relate to their own experiences. Is he or they comfortable with their personal feelings? (I'm assuming he's an 'unhealthier ISTP) My best friend certainly is and she finds Fe-ing to be superficial and unnecessary at times, though she's a great listener if she cares to listen (you're important to her) Any ISTP can be an extreme or evolve into being better. I bet the ISTPs you know disconnects emotionally but can have massive emotional eruptions and then "flee" to find their personal space again. They dislike such things b/c they aren't seen as rational as they fancy they are. A healthier ISTP works to become better as my friend is now doing. Again, rearing, maturity + other factors will widen the field of Type.

    Quote Originally Posted by heart
    You gave general observations about NFPs, I gave some I have about NFJ. Nothing more than that.
    I know, I just wanted to continue pointing out the differences to help others. although now as I re-read theshadow's post I think you're speaking to her LOL *hopes*

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    Let me clarify: of course I don't think EVERY SINGLE INFP ON THE PLANET can't get anything done...that's a presumptious generalization to make...and not what I meant. I merely meant to say that from the dozens of INFPs I've encountered online and offline, there seems to be a correlation between not getting things done and their passiveness/procrastination/floaty-ness.

    Sciski I loved the tornado metaphor!!! I'll have to discuss with my INFP boyfriend (btw he helped me coin the "Teddybear blackhole theory") Heart, I wuv you! Shadow...lol...try to keep the peace (I kid!).
    I am known for being brutally honest...brace yourself.

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    Originally Posted by heart
    I'm married to an INFP and my only sister is married to an ISTP. Based on my experience with these two types, this statement is patently untrue.


    I never posted this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Originally Posted by heart
    I'm married to an INFP and my only sister is married to an ISTP. Based on my experience with these two types, this statement is patently untrue.


    I never posted this!
    LOL T'is corrected. My aplogies, my dear lady

    Edit! And you changed your Avatar again! (I always catch it after the fact!) Seeeeee that's INFP demonstrating that they prefer to be more openended to posibilities than *ahem* we INFJs who are sooooo fixated on keeping and maintaining one appearance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    LOL T'is corrected. My aplogies, my dear lady

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    And for your later post about the ISTP you know (not sure if it's the same one) blaming people and his wife would listen, I 100% agree it happens. My best friend IS like that, while being childlike and childish at times. ISTPs can be EXTREMELY dogmatic about their opinions, always believing THEY'RE right, and criticsing other's if they can't see that the 'logic' matches their own (Ti is their 1st CP so big bias lol) or they feel it doesn't relate to their own experiences. Is he or they comfortable with their personal feelings?
    Herein lies the difference between an INFP and an ISTP. ISTP's from your description direct it more outwards, INFP's will tend to direct it back at themselves. When me and my INTJ ex would get into a disagreement with something I never outwardly criticized her for it, instead I'd take it internal and sort it out searching for a win win situation if I could find one. Her nature would of course make her think that because I went silent, distant, and at times would put physical distance between us that I was angry. I wasn't it was more or less my way of trying to respect her feelings at the same time as not allowing mine to be compromised. In the three years I was with her we never once had a heated voices raised argument.

    I don't believe I'm always right, and if someone says something that questions my "logic" I tend to absorb it and sort it in my own way. The only time I'm really outward and won't back down is when my personal values are being threatened outright, otherwise I'm very much a mediator and can change how I act around someone based on not only my feelings but their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Out of curiousity, and not wanting to misintrepret INFPs, do you think I've been giving a fairly close or accurate description?

    Such as with this: "INFJ Fe will suck other people's feelings IN and spit OUT their observations from Ni/feelings of the people sometimes whereas INFP Fi sucks IN their feelings and the observances/feelings of other's through Ne and keeps it IN sometimes."

    I'm pretty much doing the INFJ version, meself, methinks Lots of Fe-vomitting, oiii!



    I Ni imagine my Fe to soon appear as + too much and will then make INFPs + ENTPs and ENFPs :yim_rolling_on_the_ : and the INTPs and INTJs and ISTPs both and then later blow up while the ISTJs will say and ISFPs are sad of fighting and the rest I didn't generalise or make up to go because they were omitted!

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    INFP will need to express out emotions to someone who they trust and value highly, but won't tend to do so until they have processed and evaluated their emotions and thoughts as much as possible. Fe seems to need to talk out emotion with others to do this evaluation and judging.

    Like today my husband is working on his car, he is INFJ, in order to judge what he wants to do next, he seems to need to talk out loud to me about the process of what he is doing even though I don't understand what he is saying for the most part, it helps him to think to relate to me in this way I am guessing because thinking follows feeling for him and feeling for him is Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    INFP will need to express out emotions to someone who they trust and value highly, but won't tend to do so until they have processed and evaluated their emotions and thoughts as much as possible. Fe seems to need to talk out emotion with others to do this evaluation and judging.
    Yes I dislike conflict, so I tend to require more time to evaluate it all, and it has to be someone I trust with my openness. If I can't express how I feel about something, then it eats away at me. I need an outlet for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Herein lies the difference between an INFP and an ISTP. ISTP's from your description direct it more outwards, INFP's will tend to direct it back at themselves. When me and my INTJ ex would get into a disagreement with something I never outwardly criticized her for it, instead I'd take it internal and sort it out searching for a win win situation if I could find one. Her nature would of course make her think that because I went silent, distant, and at times would put physical distance between us that I was angry. I wasn't it was more or less my way of trying to respect her feelings at the same time as not allowing mine to be compromised. In the three years I was with her we never once had a heated voices raised argument.
    Hmm. So far I've seen generally INFPs are sensitive to criticism but they don't blame themselves (?) as they 'felt' it all out and know they're right. So that can make an INFP appear 'stuck or dogmatic' about their opinions. What you described my ISTP friend does as well. When it comes to OTHERS she either didn't care, didn't know well and they were openly displaying/saying something 'stupid' or whatnot, she'd criticise. It's not all the time and I've always seen her do it to those who are being offensive either to her or to others. It's either her or I who'll do the jumping in though I'm more reserved as I'd like to figure just what's going on first before narrowing. She reacts fast. She won't even explain herself well or why she'd verbally insulting someone (depends on who), she might just say "You sound f***ing stupid. You need to keep quiet." Personal/romantic relationships she does not like to get conflict with and will avoid it unless she hasn't realised she's been insensitve (with anyone really). She'd put physical distance too to shut people out and just 'think'. If people she cares bothers her about it, then she'll make it look like she's more active or just tell them to mind their own business. She's very wary of hurting a loved one's feelings. It intensely bothers her so she trys to avoid it. If ever, rarely though, we have problems she wants to disconnect right away while I want to "talk it through" (when I was younger, no). I am her ONLY closest best friend as she is mine (along with my sis for both of us) and just knowing things about her does not come easy. It took us a period of 4 years before even calling one another "Best Friends" and we only stuck with each other.

    She doesn't care to criticise friends/family too, though it depends on what, and her 'criticising' is meant to help. She isn't or wasn't, she's changed somewhat, in tune with people's feelings though she reacts to people's feelings easily and right away as she doesn't like it (either to help or to attack). She'll use her logic and claim those others, rightly or wrongly, are "incorrect" "mixed up facts" "are so stupid and can't reason to save their life, wonder how people can live with themselves" etc. Very harsh yes but that's when she's mostly stressed. And sometimes it's joked, even I do it too as it's an ongoing joke against All Peoples. When it goes too far, I'm the first to say "But we can't generalise though!" and she'll retort "You're too weak! This is why people get to you!" but it's still all in fun. She really is sensitive, she just chooses not to trust it (Fi is ISTPs DEMON and last CP).

    I've learned to give her space now and she's learned to 'talk with me'. With others, it's still a bit different. I know I have 'access' to her at all times but I don't to other's so I try very hard to prove I'm sincere or helpful whereas she needs LOTS of personal space from other's and doesn't realise when she 'invades' theirs. She's mostly respectiful about 'spaces' but when she's upset, she forgets that. Retreats, realises and recovers, somewhat.

    I don't believe I'm always right, and if someone says something that questions my "logic" I tend to absorb it and sort it in my own way. The only time I'm really outward and won't back down is when my personal values are being threatened outright, otherwise I'm very much a mediator and can change how I act around someone based on not only my feelings but their own.
    When people criticise you or question your logic and you don't respect them or like them, will you still asborb it and sort it out what they say? If it's a person an ISTP respects and values, they'll do it (sometimes grudgingly, but it depends on the personal factors). If it's some stranger who just insulted what they said, they have no compunction to listen or care to listen but will bite back with their logic. Or even just dismiss them and not bother. If it's a person whom they love romantically criticising them, it's a harsh blow as they "felt" they either tried to avoid it or they can't figure out what went wrong (+ may or may not attack).

    From what I've learned of INFPs, with 4th Inferior CP Extroverted Thinking, can feel as though personally attacked on their intelligence or whatnot. (edit: And because they've "sorted" through all the open possiblities with their Extroverted Inuition and found it all makes senes, it can bother them that someone doesn't trusts or values their input b/c they worked so hard 'inside' to reach a conclusion. And it can be hard to explain to other's what they learned b/c their last CP is Introverted Thinking. THEY figured it out, translating can be hard though not always which can sometimes make them less open with others unless they know them well enough and find they're valued.

    This is also why for ISTPs with their 4th Inferior CP Extroverted Feeling, they react b/c they feel as though they can't personally trust another's emotions or they BLOW UP b/c they didn't understand their own or in time b/c they normally react in the moment (edit: + they think think think so if no time to think ...BOOM! Then reprimanding that they did such a mean thing or justifying it/blaming the other person. And as the last CP for ISTP is Introverted Feeling, once they come to realise their feelings, it's hard translating, even when doing it nicely or it can come off awkwardly. THEY figured it out too. They can be less open with new people about their true feelings for a LONG time unless they know them well and find they're valued by them. Even with family it can be hard, like with my friend. She cares for them but she does NOT share her personal life with them at all. Only me and that took years to invade

    Oh, and there are differences in sex/es + rearing etc and I'm well aware if you are an ISTP you'll react different than my friend or if you are an INFP you'll react different, say, heart

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