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    That Vicky Jos website saved me a lot of stress when I was having my Identity crises a while back.

    Now I'm free for other crises that come my way.

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    I took the real MBTI in college and I still came up like 50-50 between the P-J thing. The counsellor just told me to pick which was I "liked" better and go with it! It was not until I read much deeper about the difference between Fi and Fe that I finally understood which one I was.
    That seems irresponsible of that counsellor to say. I would've told you to go to a Type Specialist (which I plan on doing anyway so I can learn more). However, as you chose to delve deeper, at least you didn't take that advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I'm an INFX through and through. I picked my type simply based on hemisphere dominance. I'm left brain dominant which correlates with J.
    I wouldn't know which it correlates with but I wouldn't have picked it so easily based on that. Then again, as I don't know, I shouldn't say

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    I have to say, I don't think it is possible to be INFx without throwing out the whole MBTI theory. I think it is possible that INFP for example, with stronger Te may mistake this for being J.
    It's like when I read that INFJs can look like INTJs because they are the most "Thinking" of NFs and whatnot or seem so cold/distant sometimes. That's silly to say be based on...what's it based on? lol

    I don't think it correlates with a "J". That's the misperception with "J"s.. "J" being more organized or "P" being less so when that's irrelevant. From Vicky Jo's J/P Discussion speaks on it at length. A bit from her site:
    While INFPs are considered perceiving types, in fact, their dominant function is a judging one. While INFJs are considered judging types, in fact, their dominant function is a perceiving one.So if you're poking around inside your head (instead of out in the real world) trying to discover what type you are, this detail can be very misleading. For introverts, the J/P scale is not about how you experience yourself! The J and the P in the code is meant to indicate which one of your functions gets used in the outer world, not your inner one.
    I've read people claim Ps are disorganzied and not on time whereas Js are orgnazied and always on time when that's not necessarily so! Both can vary with them. INFJs can be 'consisently' messy w/ their space but know where everything is. INFPs may even go earlier to get to an appt. b/c they know they used to be late. INFJ may want to keep doing "one more thing and one more thing" which may make them late. "Linda Berens has said that NJ often looks like P." So we're not as seemingly orgnaized as other "Js".

    And INFPs are SELF-centric whereas INFJs are OTHER-centric (paraphrased from Vicky Jo and it's the INFJ/INFP site). This is why initially, it's easier for INFPs to know their own values (Fi)while it's a bit harder for INFJs who focus on others primarly (Fe).

    And the communication styles are vastly different. While both are responding types, INFPs are informing and INFJs are directing. While both do BOTH, they're most comfortable with their preferred one or they learn to become more graceful with the other style. An INFJ may latch on a few more "pleases" and "thankyous"but they are no less directive about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silently Honest View Post
    That Vicky Jos website saved me a lot of stress when I was having my Identity crises a while back.

    Now I'm free for other crises that come my way.
    Ah, yes, feel free to concentrate on your paranoias about the future too

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    DD:It's like when I read that INFJs can look like INTJs because they are the most "Thinking" of NFs and whatnot or seem so cold/distant sometimes. That's silly to say be based on...what's it based on? lol

    Male INFJ esepcially can look to non-initmates as INTJ, can be cold/distant to casual onlookers.

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    Well the difference I've noticed is that INFJs are very analytical, good about discerning people dynamics, and are very helpful in group situations.

    An odd coincidence I've noticed about ENFPs- is that they tend to engage in emotional eating and usually are overweight or extremely anorexic looking.

    I'm sure I'll get my ass kicked by some ENFP reading this, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotmale View Post
    Well the difference I've noticed is that INFJs are very analytical, good about discerning people dynamics, and are very helpful in group situations.

    An odd coincidence I've noticed about ENFPs- is that they tend to engage in emotional eating and usually are overweight or extremely anorexic looking.

    I'm sure I'll get my ass kicked by some ENFP reading this, lol.
    I know atleast one enfp like that. and my infj freind is very analytical and usufull in figuring things like the future out.. unlike infp's. I like them and all, I just dont see there purpose. oh look at me Im emo, how dare you make fun of me for being different im special, I dont belong in the world and so what If I am acting like a stereotypical emo kid, im special... on goes the nfp rant

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    Quote Originally Posted by theshadow View Post
    I know atleast one enfp like that. and my infj freind is very analytical and usufull in figuring things like the future out.. unlike infp's. I like them and all, I just dont see there purpose. oh look at me Im emo, how dare you make fun of me for being different im special, I dont belong in the world and so what If I am acting like a stereotypical emo kid, im special... on goes the nfp rant
    Generalising as you did is useless and mean spirited to do. Not all INFJs are good at being analytical if, for instance, they were treated badly in childhood/at the time or they're reacting in stress as they must 'react' in the moment and we like to think things in advance. Any Type not allowed to flourish naturally or by attentive and caring individuals likely won't develop good social skills (even the INTPs and INTJs w/e the 'least' likely type to do it CAN do it and do it well, it's about 'developing' oneself' as we grow).

    INFPs have their purpose and it's rude of you to suggest otherwise. What if someone, other than an INFP, said that ENFJs held no purpose or they were so obnoxious to them? They would be 100% false as well. This is one thing I don't like hearing when any Type is put down as, say, a more vulnerable person who is depressed/unhealthy would then want to associate with the "better" types. Such as those INFPs who are 'emo' and read how "special" and "rare" the INFJ is or their counterpart ENFP is the better type they "should better" be. I don't really like the 'emo' Factory Cult any more than you do, or ANY "cult" group that's popularised by the media and consumers, but I realise that I too can be very "emo" w/e that is, I just don't show it to others and feel sorry all to myself lol. Being depressed occurs to everyone, how you display it is just different. I largely dissociate and turn within or maybe under less stress tell people "I'm okay. I'm doing better." or maybe disclose much more info than I should (it's an INFJ thing so we do it too!). If you want to look at one positive aspect of xNFPs who are 'emo', you could say they are openly demonstrating what was kept surpressed for so long in society or displaying it in a new way. How many people were raised to be 'tough' or 'girly' w/ no inbetween? They created another group from the schizoey punkers or the bubbly Valley Girls (which have made a comeback! ) or the gangsta wankers or Preppies or Ginos and a whole slew of others. People want to belong to w/e group appeals to them. To each their own poison. Even apathetic people who are 'individuals' aren't individual and unique as others are like them! However, we are ALL unique even amongst our own Types as we have different personal histories, observations and insights and interactions w/ or w/o others You are an ENFJ and there is no other ENFJ who will be exactly you. Maybe a twin but never you 100%.

    I realise you did say 'rant' so you probably know xNFPs in real life who are very "emo' but please don't generalise them all. Even if you didn't mean for it to apply to all of them, what you say can be interpreted that way as you didn't say "not all xNFPs are like that". Think of those xNFPs who are susceptible to harsh criticism, they'll get hurt by your words and maybe loathe their type in their emo-fashiony way They hold a purpose as much as your Type or my Type does or they wouldn't exist as a Type at all and no Type is better than any other.

    This is exactly why I made this Thread. I want to get rid of misconceptions that put down other types as anyone who is vulnerable at the time may become confused, disregard their type and either want to 'trick' themselves into a more praised "better" type or just ignore the whole thing as ridiculous. It's Threads which praise "ISTPs" and "ESFJs" and any other type which gives insight into those types which we may be unaware of or thought useless b/c we normally don't get along with them. But, what we know is ONLY what we know. We don't and can't know everyone or have access to every Type in RL. It gives a chance to realise not EVERYone acts this "___" + "____" or "____" way. Maybe you've met an ENFP/INFP w/o knowing they were and thought they were absolutely terrific. Maybe you've met ENFJs or INFJs who pissed you off or people who didn't like you either for w/e reason, right or wrong. Maybe I'm pissing you off and I'm an INFJ!

    So, to INFPs, ENFPs and all Types!

    Edit: I orginally had "INFPs" then changed it to "ENFPs" as I over analyzed and there's one example of INFJs overanalyzing and ignoring that first instinct! lolol Or maybe I foresaw that I needed to make that mistake or maybe I'm justifying it w/e. Such fun making mistakes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotmale View Post
    Well the difference I've noticed is that INFJs are very analytical, good about discerning people dynamics, and are very helpful in group situations.

    An odd coincidence I've noticed about ENFPs- is that they tend to engage in emotional eating and usually are overweight or extremely anorexic looking.

    I'm sure I'll get my ass kicked by some ENFP reading this, lol.
    Nope. You'll get ass kicked by an INFJ reading this Firstly, as I said to theshadow, INFJs can be great at things and bad at things, even their natural Cognitive Processes if not allowed to nourish and flourish them w/o harsh criticism (we're sooo sensitive, when unhealthy, even if we don't show it!). Though you didn't say 'all', it's implied or at least so to me. And you did warn other ENFPs will attack you sooooo....How do you know ENFPs tend to engage in emotional eating? Are they absolutely all obese, lethargic overeaters or are all anorexic-looking, lethargic starvers? You said this is what you noticed but what if you were wrong about their Type? What if they were an ESTJ! Tell me you know every single one on the planet who is verified ENFP and I might just believe you (or believe the facts were distorted in your favour !). Any number of reasons might make an ENFP become emotionally stressed into obesity or anorexia as it can happen to ANY Type!

    They are Extroverts! Maybe people oriented but out in the world all the same (they gotta use up a lottaaa energy to do that! I couldn't even keep up if I tried!). Wouldn't it seem more likely that an Introverted Type would stay home depressed, on the couch and emotionally alter their bodies in the extremes or any inbetween? <--- Generalsing too. Why would it be more likely for an Introvert? I've read all sorts of misconceptions that ALL Introverts are SHY or like being indoors 99% of the time or are so emotionally fragile they collectively go to extremes. I read this one article How to Go From Introvert to Extrovert (as the author himself did! And now he's labelled by MBTI as an Extrovert. Please!) b/c of their shyness, inability to speak/be with people or play sports or get outside of their heads b/c they're afraid of the outside world---- Lots of other BS too. Lots of bashing from people, better believe some were Introverts. He believes you can't 'class' people into being I/E or typed. Yet an INFJ is supposed to be PEOPLE oriented and an ISTP (my best friend) are Sensers who are OUT and about, albeit not as much as an ESTP or other Extrovert. We move into more extroverted or introverted activites, modes of being, all the time. To imply that one should change to better themselves is wrong. Why not then write "How To Go From Extrovert to Introvert"? Ah, because it's entirely useless to do so, right? :steam: Generalising is normally just bad and leads to stereotyping which is the aim of this Thread. To dispell that about INFPs or INFJs. The good, bad and ugly of both beautiful types. Careful or I'll make one about ESTJs vs ESTPs!

    In America alone, stats reach that 70% of people are overweight/obese. Are they all ENFPs? I'd wager they are a concotion of all Types w/ a slew of different reasons. Not all overweight people or anorexic people are emotionally damaged and cause these weights. It could be illness, hormonal imbalances (esp. for females now!) disease or nutrition that was thought healthy but isn't.

    So, please more considerate of labelling one Type in such a way based off your own personal experiences. Saying this is what you've experienced so far in your life is fine but it'd be considerate to say you don't know or wouldn't think all ENFPs are like that. Or if you do, I'll 100% disagree with you and I'm sure ENFPs/other Types will as well.

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    I set INFP as my type since it's the only one I ever get when doing the tests and I've taken it I don't know how many times on dozens of different sites over the years.

    In the end tho, the more I've been reading lately about the MBTI types the more I lean towards the fact I'm probably more IXXP since I seem to be split between INFP and ISTP. Observe me when I'm off on my own, and I'm an ISTP, stick me with other people and I'm an INFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I set INFP as my type since it's the only one I ever get when doing the tests and I've taken it I don't know how many times on dozens of different sites over the years.

    In the end tho, the more I've been reading lately about the MBTI types the more I lean towards the fact I'm probably more IXXP since I seem to be split between INFP and ISTP. Observe me when I'm off on my own, and I'm an ISTP, stick me with other people and I'm an INFP.
    I fancy myself an expert with ISTPs due to my very muchly ISTP best friend. ISTPs apparently have been touted the most "extroverted" introvert from what I've read. Seems highly likely to me so far. My best friend certainly fools people, unintentionally, into thinking she's more extroverted like them and they will be confused when she boots them out of her life or personal space (invade that, never!). Or when she becomes quiet, observatory or prefers to study a whole night at a time. Or just not care to talk to them. Or when she BLOWS UP! (RUN! Gather children! FLEEEEE!). Or misunderstand that she's happy one moment, criticising someone seemingly abruptly as they're not logically making sense (ISTPs love doing that, methinks) w/o worry of the person's feelings. They're generally very energetic, dissectingly analytical types. Can be fast paced, can be very blunt, unaware of how they come across to others and insenstive (if unhealthy) to care of "feelings" as feelings make them extremely uncomfortable. Fi is their DEMONIC and last process. They don't trust their own feelings anymore than they trust yours lolol Just as I don't trust my Si as it's my demonic process (I vaguely recall what I did ten minutes ago in detail! LOL) or an INFP who distrusts their demonic Ti until better developed. We all improve over time (and I have with my Si....somewhat )

    There's a load of difference b/w INFP and ISTP. Have you yet looked at the Cognitive Processes? I don't think being alone would indicate you're an ISTP or being with others an INFP. It could just be you are an ISTP but you have become more aware of your feelings w/o distrusting them all the time and you learned to be aware of other's feelings (not unintentionally trampelling on them ). If relating to your/other's feelings was something you struggled to do or didn't care to do during childhood it may indicate you are an ISTP or maybe even another type. INFP's strongest (Heroic/Leader) CProcess is Fi. They will know their own feelings best, trust them best and no one is telling them otherwise. Not that they wouldn't know others' feelings as they can and will! but theirs is known BEST!! ISTPs LOVE , let alone trust, their Ti as it's their strongest (Heroic/Leader) CProcess (and INFPs weakest! INFP Ti causes :steam: )

    Here's an INTJ site which has all the CProcesses neatly charted at the bottom. It has all the Types labelled with both Beebe's archetypal names and Beren's (IMHO better) terminology which makes it seem more 'realistic' to people who distrust archetypal names. Beren's notes a Positive/healthy and Negative/unhealthy name for each CProcess instead of just the 'healthy' 1. Heroic, 2. Good Parent etc. There is, at the top, descriptive info on each CProcess for INTJs (well, INTJ site lol). The site's author explains how both healthy range and unhealthy range shows for INTJs. However, you can apply it to INFP or ISTP as it explains what the order of processes mean, so adjust to both types for healthy AND unhealthy when viewing yourself. I was doing this today with my sis to help her understand her adorable INTJ-self. She was just as much fascinated how it was accurate and dismayed that other people might 'know' her now let alone ME. I've always known her, she has no choice and being 7 yrs older has an advantage! Then again, INxJs are CProcessed cousins so we are TOO similiar sometimes.

    Si, being our weakest CProcess, think that we could remember what we said 5minutes ago? NEVER! We war with Si! War! Grrrr

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