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    DeliriousDepression,
    I apologize for my earlier entry. Some of what I wrote was not really relevant to the thread. I bristle at the adjective self-centered because of negative connotations it has. It doesn't sound like a good attribute even if applied to the functions only. So even though you were not calling INFPs self-centered, if anything, debunking that notion, I reacted badly.
    In answer to your question, I read all posts by you in this thread and enjoyed
    reading them. Actually I am not certain I am an INFP, I actually score INFJ,
    But I think I might be INFP as some of your descriptions of INFPs were
    relevant to me, especially about needing lots and lots of time. I wonder if
    going through a rough time can make an INFJ appear a lot like an INFP.
    Even though I score INFJ, it's not clear to me what introverted intuition is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ithurt View Post
    Thank you for your reply Delirious.

    How exactly would you describe what is going on in your head
    when you use introverted intuition, stressed out or not? It's hard
    for me to imagine although it's probably something common to all
    of us.
    There are numerous sites dedicated to explaining all of the Cognitive Processes or the differences b/w Types. Here is one for Ni and you can read the other CPs on the site as well as other great info regarding MBTI and Type theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ithurt View Post
    DeliriousDepression,
    Delirious Depression?! That's a first! Though it certaintly can apply!

    I apologize for my earlier entry. Some of what I wrote was not really relevant to the thread. I bristle at the adjective self-centered because of negative connotations it has. It doesn't sound like a good attribute even if applied to the functions only. So even though you were not calling INFPs self-centered, if anything, debunking that notion, I reacted badly.
    In answer to your question, I read all posts by you in this thread and enjoyed
    reading them. Actually I am not certain I am an INFP, I actually score INFJ,
    But I think I might be INFP as some of your descriptions of INFPs were
    relevant to me, especially about needing lots and lots of time. I wonder if
    going through a rough time can make an INFJ appear a lot like an INFP.
    Even though I score INFJ, it's not clear to me what introverted intuition is.
    S'ok! I figured you weren't mad at me. It was just a bit confusing.

    Well, I don't entirely trust online tests as some questions are vague or biased to make "NFs" so touchy-feely illogical or "NTs" so coldly rational they can't recognise their own pulse etc-- A good bet is in trying to see based on the tests (taken a few times, perhaps spread out), reading up on all of the Types to see which you feel best represents you (but be weary that some sites are either biased or have old, outdated info--) and try learning about Cognitive Processes to see which best matches yours. I like this INTJ page on Cognitive Processes. You just pick the CPs from whichever Type at the bottom you feel is yours, and then compare it through the original descriptions for INTJs but just imagine it as INFP (or whatever) instead.

    Also, both INFPs and INFJs need lots of time but for different reasons. An INFP might not seem as outgoing or talkative as an INFJ. An INFP is not likely to interfere with people as they feel that people should have the freedom in learning from their own problems or sorting it out-- they do so with the best of intentions. The only exceptions is if they know the person well enough that they'll do it as they can "feel more confident and comfortable" telling them.

    An INFJ is more likely to interfere with people as they feel that they should help the person in realising what they see as the problem and as the INFJ feels that they've already figured out what needs to be corrected, they're more likely to tell you what "you should do" to fix it.-- they do so with the best of intentions. An INFJ may tell just about anyone what they feel the person should do, but may hold back a bit with new people (or may not, if they feel comfortable or absolutely certian they should tell them.)

    And an INFJ is not going to turn into an INFP any more than the reverse happening. If you feel that you are going into your worst state of being resulting from severe/continual stresses, you'll likely look like a negative version of your Shadow Type. The Shadow Type of INFPs is ESTJs and for INFJs is ESTP.

    Also, the Communication Styles of INFPs and INFJs are different. INFPs have an Informing style whereas INFJs have a Directing style.

    As you've read, you must know that I've raved quite a few times about Vicky Jo's website on helping discern the differences of INFJs and INFPs. Try it out and see which applies to you, if either.


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    All INFP and INFJ depictions that I've made are going to be consistently updated in the OP at the Bottom of the page until I feel my work is done. As well as my reponses to stereotypes mostly in regards against INFPs. :steam: and even unjustly praise for all INFJs (I know INFJs, it hurts to not think we're perfect or to let others know so but we aren't! We're kinda close, okay?! )

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    DeliriousTypo, :rolli:
    I read the descriptions of the cognitive processes. It was helpful because as I couldn't relate well to introverted intuition, I decided I must be an INFP.
    I have scored INFJ, strong N, strong J.
    Introverted intuition is a process we all engage in, but I cannot really think
    of examples of the process being used, it strikes me as something that would
    be almost impossible to observe in a person. I'm really curious about it, and how it operates differently in INFJs versus INTJs.
    What you said about a willingness in INFJs to tell someone what to do rang true. I know an INFJ (well at least that was her score, it was mine too) who after knowing me not that long told me what to do about something I felt was my business and
    I remember thinking that in the same situation I would have to know that the advice is welcomed before offering it. It looked like there was an assumption that advice is good, and it actually felt to me like maybe she thinks I can't think for myself, although she would probably be surprised to hear it, as if I'm keeping my reactions secret. In fact, the advice was felt by me as added pressure, because I felt obligated to take it into account now and change the decision I had already come to, because I would only offer unsolicited advice myself if I felt a really strong need to have my input considered, so it's hard for me not to think it's her case too. Reversing the roles, it was hard for me to conceive of telling her what to do in the same situation. This is only one particular situation, but I remember thinking, there is a difference here between us.

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    I wonder, what are all of your thoughts on this,

    What clues do you think a sad INFJ would reveal about his sadness, to close friends, family, strangers?

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    Delirious,
    I too have a younger INTJ sister. She is 9 years younger.

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    Delirious, I love your ISTJ smilie choice:

    Very funny.

    My mother is ISTJ. I can only picture the types in reference to people that I know intimately, and I can attest to the ISTJ's tendency to cut off others, leaving them feeling very:

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    query,

    Under stress, if I start start seeing dark motives for people's actions etc. is this runaway introverted intuition? Or runaway extraverted thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ithurt View Post
    Introverted intuition is a process we all engage in, but I cannot really think
    of examples of the process being used, it strikes me as something that would
    be almost impossible to observe in a person. I'm really curious about it, and how it operates differently in INFJs versus INTJs.
    Ni and all of the other CPs are not so easy to observe in a person unless they have a better grasp of how people function psychologically/emotionally/physically, have good access to people they think/know well enough to guess at, and knowing how the CPs work would help too. I've made posts where I repeatedly say that INFJs and INTJs are mirror-cousins in Type with near exact CPs except with F vs T. They have similar thinking-patterns but their conclusions may differ. An INFPs mirro-cousin in Type is INTP, same thing but reverse the F vs T. You'll find plenty of different Threads based on understanding differences b/w the Types or the relationships b/w them. Here's a page vaguely explaining the r/ship pair titles b/w the Types. Here's the page on INFPs and at the bottom you can see their view of which Type relates to an INFP (and so on with each specific page on w/e Type).

    Quote Originally Posted by ithurt View Post
    I wonder, what are all of your thoughts on this,

    What clues do you think a sad INFJ would reveal about his sadness, to close friends, family, strangers?
    I refer you to this post. Basically, an INFJ will not tell someone, anymore than an INFP would unless they are the closest of confidants. The difference, as I've said, is that an INFJ might tell people that they're doing "fine" if asked and dissociate within themselves whereas an INFP might not tell someone anything or "appear" broody (even if not so!, it's just assumed by others) as they dissociate from others too.

    Quote Originally Posted by ithurt View Post
    query,

    Under stress, if I start start seeing dark motives for people's actions etc. is this runaway introverted intuition? Or runaway extraverted thinking?
    No. It'd be your Fi at work. Whenever under stress, or if a person isn't evolved enough to begin with, we rely on our 1st CP (for you Fi) or rely on both 1st and 2nd CP (for you Ne). If you're still confused on how the CPs work such as Te or Ni, and if you trust in CPs, then you should read a bit more about them. It took me quite some time before I felt the need to learn about them as it also took some time before I thoroughly felt that I knew them.


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    I tell people I'm fine even when I'm not. I share stories of abuse with strangers or people I don't know well.

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