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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Are you sure she's ESTP? Could she be ISTP? Just curious.
    No, no chance. I don't consider ESTPs and ISTPs to be very similar.

    I find ESTPs make lots of noise, but it's just that -- noise. They become easily intimidated when they feel they have no experience or expertise in an area. Oh, and they are afraid of authority. Let a higher-up enter into a situation and watch the ESTP turn into a mouse right before your eyes

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    ^Ooh wow that is soo not my Dad (ESTP). He thumbs his nose at authority and always has. Nothing seems to intimidate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    No, no chance. I don't consider ESTPs and ISTPs to be very similar.

    I find ESTPs make lots of noise, but it's just that -- noise. They become easily intimidated when they feel they have no experience or expertise in an area. Oh, and they are afraid of authority. Let a higher-up enter into a situation and watch the ESTP turn into a mouse right before your eyes
    Ha! You have met a totally different group of ESTPs than me! My dad is ESTP.

    I am not going to retort to your comment as I know it was not directed at me, and I said earlier that not all of one type are expected to be the same, and I stick to that.

    Me personally, I have alot to say and I don't say it unless it has worth and meaning. I am the one asking others to back up their statements more often than not. Also, I've done enough at this point in my life that I am pretty much conversant in whatever topic comes up, but will not blabber as your friends do if not the expert in the room. An ESTPs real strength is getting dropped into a room of strangers where he/she doesn't know anyone/anything that's going on and figuring it all out.

    For instance, I worked for years as a software system analyst. I would arrive at a company that needed custom software built and knew nothing about it, or would need the new application to integrate with all their existing stuff. All of a sudden I'm surrounded by people who outrank me, or as you describe them "higher-ups", and you know what? They are confused and they need help, and they are very nice to me, because I pick up a mrker, go their whiteboard and start asking for the story of where we are, where we want to be, what we're starting with, how much money we can spend, and when we need to get there. And after a few days of conversations the puzzle is solved, their system is being developed, and the higher-ups love me.

    I am very respectful and courteous, but I assure you, I back down from no one. I wrote a 5 page letter to my manager's boss about 4 years ago telling him how clusterf&*$ed the account was and that a disaster was about to ensue if he did not intervene and right the ship according to what the database administrator and I stated was necessary to do. You know what? Everyone thought I would get fired, and I didn't, I got respect.

    So, Ms. Lauren, maybe your friends need ESTP lessons from me.

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    the estp i know is a lot like halla too.
    he also tries to dominate me but i think thats just a guy thing. obviously it doesnt work since everyone knows who really wears the pants.
    She talks pretty but says mean things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    NOISE


    Just kidding, I believe you are what you say you are. But realize that what NFs like to discuss is not usually what the ESTP wants to discuss nor is adept at discussing and this is the reason why the ESTP felts put in a corner. I'm sure if the topic were sports, how to take revenge, or how to lead others, it would be a different story.

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    usually i am on the weaker or less pro active end of a conversation, or there is just no natural relation at all.

    but i have discovered two types of people, who are different.

    first there are people who feel enfj-ish but paranoid, and who can only superficially read people. are these esfj/enfj? or introverted people who pretend an extroverted style? anyway, they are butter to me, and they hate it. i can stop myself from crushing them (really i just say my opinion about something), because their pseudo-consciously weakest point in perception (they are in denial about that weakness but obviously bothered consciously - hence their paranoia) seems to be my strongest point. it should be my primary Ni and their secondary or tertiary Ni. they quickly make a lot of very friendly very superficial contacts. according to them, private depth should never be touched in social contacts. they like to see themselves as honorable family fathers with great moral judgment. it turns their world upside down, when i show them, how their judgment is based on a blindness that borderlines autism. this actor seems to be a perfect example. do you know his name?


    then i have accoutered two instances of the following female species: she likes to listen to my thoughts, is endlessly curious about them, never seems to have a conflicting opinion, asks me about advice all the time, and makes me feel like king of wisdom. if she wants to suggest a viewpoint, she will formulate it as a question. she might do that to other types (males) as well, but not to everyone, for sure. she seems to be very similar to me, in how she cannot demand things in live, but differs in her outgoing curiosity or openly displayed need for people (extroversion?). gretchen mol or Kelly MacDonnald might be examples of this type.

    naturally all of this depends on development as well. my first example is narcissist (meaning: not a self-aware personality yet), the second one a mild case of borderline (paranoid submissive suppressed). but it's still type related for sure.

    unfortunately i avoid the human race. i have not had close interactions with all of the 16 types.

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    Sorry to interrupt, but what does "dominate" mean?

    I can't figure out what you guys are talking about.

    Dominate, meaning, leading a conversation? Insulting the other person? Pushing them down? Besting them?

    Intentionally?

    *shrugs*
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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    Harrison ford or hulk hogan would surely try to dominate me. people like hulk dominate everything, without even looking at it.
    or those nutcase headhunters they show on american tv. the wive of the guy with blond hair.

    sensing pwns intuition, lol


    Dominate, meaning, leading a conversation? Insulting the other person? Pushing them down? Besting them?
    there are different styles, but mostly its about projecting that you know what someone should or must do or what is right and wrong in a absolute and black and white fashion. if you do that, you will have to lead the conversation, because the other one does not participate in it any longer, voluntarily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    Halla74 wrote: NOISE


    Just kidding, I believe you are what you say you are. But realize that what NFs like to discuss is not usually what the ESTP wants to discuss nor is adept at discussing and this is the reason why the ESTP felts put in a corner. I'm sure if the topic were sports, how to take revenge, or how to lead others, it would be a different story.
    You are funny as hell! Good for you!

    Your comment makes perfect sense if the ESTP is surrounded by NF conversation, its just not the natural mode of conversation so they are on the sidelines...BORED.

    Sports, revenge, and leadership are our (ESTPs) default expertise then?! How lovely!

    Finally, thanks for having faith in my honesty, that's actually very nice. I am an open book, and enjoy learning about others here.

    mitzy wrote: the estp i know is a lot like halla too.
    he also tries to dominate me but i think thats just a guy thing. obviously it doesnt work since everyone knows who really wears the pants.
    Good for you! You tamed the bastard! That's a feat to be proud of! Ha!

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    na, it was e-z. i'll be proud if i tame an entp.
    She talks pretty but says mean things

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