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    Look, let's just cut to the chase. Let's think about what it means to use Fi. Generally people agree through tests and self examination that they are driven by their values. Then agreeing they are driven by their values they also agree that one of their core values is the inability to be defined. So, I am driven by my values, which define me, me, which can never be defined. It creates an endless circle. Defining what can never be defined, making general what is specific. Just cut to the chase and say "Here is me, this is who I am and how I see it"

    I think I am Fi because of Quinlan's brilliant post the other day.

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    Do you remember where Quinlan posted, wolfy?
    Your kisses, sweeter than honey. But guess what, so is my money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Ok, if you guys disagree so vehemently with descriptions of Fi, how do you even know you're using Fi?
    because every cognitive function test I've taken, I score perfect or near perfect on Introverted Feeling. I also score extremely low in Extraverted Feeling and overall my feeling preference is not strong at all (to be honest, I usually score as a T because of the wording of the questions). therefore, I do consider myself to have a good enough grasp on Fi to understand how it works (predominently) by itself and, as my Fe is weak, there is little chance of me confusing it with Extraverted Feeling. discussing experience with introverted feeling does not require substantial knowledge of type theory past a basic understanding of the 8 cognitive functions

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Do you remember where Quinlan posted, wolfy?
    On Sunset Blvd.

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    His blog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    because every cognitive function test I've taken, I score perfect or near perfect on Introverted Feeling. I also score extremely low in Extraverted Feeling and overall my feeling preference is not strong at all (to be honest, I usually score as a T because of the wording of the questions). therefore, I do consider myself to have a good enough grasp on Fi to understand how it works (predominently) by itself and, as my Fe is weak, there is little chance of me confusing it with Extraverted Feeling. discussing experience with introverted feeling does not require substantial knowledge of type theory past a basic understanding of the 8 cognitive functions
    And you are clearly so objective that your test result are in no way biased by your own subjectivity right?

    Why do you keep dodging the point?? The point is.. Some people have been taking Extroverted functions and calling them introverted functions . This is wrong.. because extroversion and introversion are clearly defined.. therefore extroverted feeling and Introverted feeling are clearly defined or the whole system is faulty, and then why do you care if Fi has negative attributions or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    because every cognitive function test I've taken, I score perfect or near perfect on Introverted Feeling. I also score extremely low in Extraverted Feeling and overall my feeling preference is not strong at all (to be honest, I usually score as a T because of the wording of the questions). therefore, I do consider myself to have a good enough grasp on Fi to understand how it works (predominently) by itself and, as my Fe is weak, there is little chance of me confusing it with Extraverted Feeling. discussing experience with introverted feeling does not require substantial knowledge of type theory past a basic understanding of the 8 cognitive functions
    And you're scoring really high on Fi on those tests according to these experts definitions of Fi, just to point that little detail out to you...

    I honestly think if a few of you would stop internalizing the function Fi to be the entirety of who you are, or like it defines your identity, you might be able to detach enough to realize that those definitions are fair and accurate, and no more negative than other function descriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    If you think it's pseudo-science then do the reasonable thing and go by Keirsey/the four dichotomies instead. I've said this before, I'll say it again: maybe this definitions aren't working for people or get confusing because function theory isn't real and can't possibly be proven..
    My problem with Keirsey's temperments comes down to the fact that I'm Christian (somewhat.. I'm undogmatic and syncretic too.. I admire a lot from different religions.. but that's beside the point). This skews things in my view. I have idealistic views like NFs (and could very well qualify as an NF under his definition). I'm no hedonist.. I know there's more to life than hamburgers, motorcycles, and porn. If I knew one of Keirsey's INFPs I'd be championing similar things right along with them. He's ascribing one too many traits that are sort of shared between many people, for various reasons. I think it just brushes over what I really might be, cognitively speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I can't say for certain, but I believe that most practitioners of the MBTI would agree with me that study of the MBTI is just beginning and that 50 years makes it only a very young science. that's part of the reason some people (self NOT included) refer to it as a pseudo science.
    its not science, its psychology. because mbti's personality types is pretty much jungs psychological types, but with different names and some things stripped off(maybe because of lack of understanding by mayers and briggs).

    for example this Fi being empathetic and Fe sympathetic discussion we have been having on these forums. there is 10 pages written about it in jungs psychological types book(where mbti is copied from). its just that jung talks about empathy and abstract thinking, this abstract thinking is what creates sympathy, but its not sympathy itself. he doesent use the word sympathy at all about it, but he is describing "sympathetic thinking" in other terms and puts it in different context than just feeling sympathy, he talks for example how these two different types view art due to different thinking process.


    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    On the other hand, I found the original descriptions of Fi quite fitting to my intellectual conception of it, and it even includes the Jungian definitions Jaguar added later on in the thread about Fi being "colder' and more dismissive to strangers. I think that's true.
    maybe its just that Fi users use Te and Te is colder to strangers than Fe or Ti?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    because every cognitive function test I've taken, I score perfect or near perfect on Introverted Feeling. I also score extremely low in Extraverted Feeling and overall my feeling preference is not strong at all (to be honest, I usually score as a T because of the wording of the questions). therefore, I do consider myself to have a good enough grasp on Fi to understand how it works (predominently) by itself and, as my Fe is weak, there is little chance of me confusing it with Extraverted Feeling
    No test can give an indication on which type you are without consulting an MBTi expert. You should know that since you in many posts have made it clear you have a substantial amount of knowledge on MBTi.

    discussing experience with introverted feeling does not require substantial knowledge of type theory past a basic understanding of the 8 cognitive functions
    Ofcourse not if your type has been confirmed by a MBTi professional. Very much so if all you have done is taken tests on the internet not certified by CPP. Then EXTENSIVE selfevaluation and reading different well acclaimed books on the theory behind Jung and MBTi is needed.

    And this is exactly the problem with this thread and many of its kind that try to define Fi. Its unsubstantial if you dont have enough knowledge about what the function really is like in real life. You go against welldocumented and extensively researched books because it dont fit you personally. And you want me not to respond negatively?

    And to qoute marmalade.sunrise

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I honestly think if a few of you would stop internalizing the function Fi to be the entirety of who you are, or like it defines your identity, you might be able to detach enough to realize that those definitions are fair and accurate, and no more negative than other function descriptions.
    This is so true. I like Fi users, but a lot of you need to take your head out of your ass when you try to define Fi. You seem to have it very hard figuring out what is emotional responses and what is jungian feeling cognition. Emotions have little to do with Fi and dont define it. Its like when some thinkers say they dont have emotions, its stupid and ignorant. So stop this idea.

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