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    Default INFJ's and logic

    I have read in several places that NF's are not considered logical. And yet, I have always done well on tests that require logic. It seems quite insulting to be called non-logical.

    Do you consider yourself logical?

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    Yes! Very! Give me a huge, hulking task and I can break it down into tiny steps and explain it. Give me an SAT or GRE and I will do very, very well on the math section. Give me analytical work and make me back up my reasoning, and I will do just fine... (just don't make me do it debate format; writing, please!). I'm logical and meticulous and this is what I am paid to be... I think getting through the sciences without this might be hard? That being said, left to my own devices in my personal life, I use my intuition, check everything out with my logic, read and research some more, and then go ahead with things. Maybe the "intuition" part is why NFs get called non-logical? Because we can / do see the value in the things that are not necessarily logical?

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    ixfj has Ti as third function and third function usually works pretty well in their 20's. i know two ixfj women, other is 22 i think other one is 27. younger one is pretty unhealthy, has mental problems, total lack of Ti and i doubt that she will develop much of Ti in the near future. older one is healthy(at least seems healthy as person can be, other than believes in imagination creatures(god) and is jealous), she has good Ti and seems almost like a T type, but what gives her away as F is that when it comes to something that goes against her values, like when a rap song says yo bitch for example, she thinks that its discriminating women and wont change her mind about it(but will listen to your arguments), no matter how good of an argument you make about it. she is clearly J type due to organizing, but isnt prejudice about everything, like some strong J people are. but shows Fe clearly.

    i think when people say non-logical, they actually mean irrational and Fe + Ni combo can get bit irrational at times.
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    My brain is wired logically... my heart... it's another story. I tend to think of things in terms of systems, seeing how everything of a particular system influences each other. I have a decent development of Ti, which helps me to figure out what something means, or explaining why/how something occurs, and understanding it. I have more of a preference for external logic, to see if something will work via experimentation, or seeing if a relationship will work based on all sorts of criteria. My brain operates just like an INTJ, just whenever my emotions get the best of me, I may not seem super logical and more in a fantasy world, yearning for a romantic ideal to come true. Perhaps being involved with science has a lot to do with having a more logical mindframe. Just, when it comes to making the final decision, I go with what feels best for me.

    I apply the scientific method to almost everything. Goes with being a biologist.
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    In the philosophical sense, sure, I have a fair grasp of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousFeeling View Post
    My brain is wired logically... my heart... it's another story. I tend to think of things in terms of systems, seeing how everything of a particular system influences each other. I have a decent development of Ti, which helps me to figure out what something means, or explaining why/how something occurs, and understanding it. I have more of a preference for external logic, to see if something will work via experimentation, or seeing if a relationship will work based on all sorts of criteria. My brain operates just like an INTJ, just whenever my emotions get the best of me, I may not seem super logical and more in a fantasy world, yearning for a romantic ideal to come true. Perhaps being involved with science has a lot to do with having a more logical mindframe. Just, when it comes to making the final decision, I go with what feels best for me.

    I apply the scientific method to almost everything. Goes with being a biologist.

    I'm not a scientist, but I agree with this 100%. It's weird - I can't say that anyone's ever called me illogical, except for those times that I'm in the throes of emotional turmoil, and I've never thought or heard of other people thinking that INFJs are illogical. I tend to think instead that we are always capable of grasping and using logic, it's just that we often find the logical answer emotionally unsatisfying.

    Of course, some of us are able to then take it a step farther and use further logic to rationalize completely irrational decisions. But that's a subject for another day.

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    I consider myself to be a pretty irrational person--empiricism, common sense, science, and logic are all things that I keep at arm's length, and I'm prone to believe things that most people would think are strange or outlandish--but at the same time, I try to be exacting with my thoughts, and aside from all the mistiness and fast-flowing impressions that go through my head, I often am, at least in my own peculiar way.
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    Depends on how I feel.

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    I've had ENTPs comment on how I have an analytical mind. I think its just the Ni coming out in discussion that leads them to that conclusion. My Ti is fairly developed but not too well so I still don't consider myself "logical"... or at least not as much as the NTs of course.

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    I understand basic logic, however it's definately not my strong suit.

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