btw, I very much enjoyed your previous post, but didn't necessarily have anything useful to add.
But to what follows, and to PB's earlier question of why INTPs don't often make the effort to translate to Fi language:
Before I saw your post, I was making a mental note to make this point. If someone just goes, "hey, something feels wrong," but doesn't offer any reasons, even vague ones, as to why it might feel wrong, it "feels" to us like an extraordinary waste of time when it seems like there is no evidence to back up the suggestion that it might be wrong. Hence, no reason to stop what is, up until now, the best method of attack. BUT, gut reactions can very often be useful. I very, very often rely on hunches and gut reactions and then try to pinpoint exactly what prompted it. After you pair a gut reaction with some possible theories that make it worth pausing to examine the path of action, and those hunches pan out, pretty soon people start paying more attention to your feelings. They've proven to pay off. But you gotta give someone a reason to take a chance on you. They don't live in your brain, and they don't know how to coax a feeling tone into the light and translate it into tangibles. It's a leap of faith for them, too, and one they might not even know how to indulge you in.I often find at work that I have to go dig up useless, error ridden, flawed market research studies to convince people to make a certain choice. I know the choice is correct as based upon my observations of customers, the market, the product and the needs, it "feels" right. However there must always be the useless data hunt-which wastes 20 to 50K each time.
I often ran into this issue with the engineers I work with as well. During the first few placements of a new instrument I would mention there was an issue that needed investigation. They assumed it was a one-off and ignored me when I said "Have you considered it might be this?" I would watch the same problem crop up on ten or twelve more systems-compile mountains of paper, then go in and say "Umm, it might be that you should consider this." before they would take it seriously. After working with the same team for about five years, I no longer need the mountains of paper-I just say "This seems wrong" and they pay attention, as I have caught so many problems this way in the past-all by visceral gut feelings about how and what a problem may be or about the importance of a problem. I would suggest that Ti alone provides an incomplete data set that could be complemented by Fi analysis depending upon the complexity of the problem at hand and how people contaminated it is.
PB-- as to your question of reciprocity, remember that INTPs are about the least naturally social people around. Though we might be quite fond of individual people, for the first 20 or so years of our lives, people are strange beings that are good for the exchange of ideas, but sometimes a giant, alien pain in the butt that we don't know how to deal with. As we get older, we learn niceties and develop our Fe and learn to consider the feelings of others. We lose our know-it-all tendencies and try to accept other styles of communication. But to imagine that we would have the people-orientation and social refinement to recognize Fi IRL and then naturally, or perhaps more realistically, magically know the way to ask the right questions so the Fi user feels comfortable and safe to express themselves is kind of laughable. Please note that I'm not calling YOU or even your desire laughable. I'm just saying you are giving us WAY too much credit. Here on the forum, it's a possibility, given enough time and patience, because we're making a point of taking about the different communication styles. But in real life, no one realizes this; all your work INTPs are thinking is, "if you want me to listen, give me a reason," knowing if they wanted to stop the presses, they would know they would have to give a reason. Feelings aren't bad; nor are gut instincts. But in Ti-world, to be comprehensible, they have to be backed up, at least until you have a reputation for being right. This, of course, would apply more to work or academic situations, and not as much to personal ones.