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[ENFP] LL's observations on my husband, who is an INTP, from an ENFP perspective

Little Linguist

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Keepin' the 'love' alive! :wubbie::wubbie::wubbie: As if that were hard to do.

***Dislaimer: I'm not claiming this as truth. They are merely my observations concerning INTPs from my interactions with my husband. Feel free to comment and/or correct, or even add your own ideas.***

1. They need their mental space. Of course they love you and they want to spend time with you - IN MODERATION. Come on, you're creative. Find other ways to occupy your time. I know I'm absolutely GREAT at entertaining myself.

2. Have your own life. INTPs are great about granting you the freedom and independence we ENFPs/I (oops maybe I shouldn't speak for all ENFPs here) love. As long as you don't do anything stupid that fucks up your relationship, have at it. Have some fun!!! :) They won't mind because they NEED lots of quiet time.

3. If you want to listen to loud music/be loud/whatever when your husband/wife is in Ti-mode, close your door. Oh, yeah, and close the door anyway. My INTP hates open doors. :shrug: I like them, but yeah, whatever, sometimes you have to compromise.

4. Have fun together. Tap into that common Ne. A mature INTP is going to have a developed Ne, and that's your forté, so use it. Make your time together fun and enriching for both.

5. INTPs seem to relish in their areas of expertise. I find they feel the most comfy talking about their areas of expertise. Then they can chat for hours if in the mood (Ne). Don't FORCE it, but if they start, let them GOOOOOO.....it's fun to listen to the Ti/Ne/Si combo when they get going. Besides, you can learn a lot. Going to places where they can USE their expertise and get them going, usually creates a fun experience for both sides.

6. Yes, your INTP has a sensual side. He/She may or may not initiate, but it's there. It needs a catalyst. Then BOOM. Embrace it. And go with it. (EDIT: Okay, maybe it's because he's a guy.)

7. Okay, okay, your INTP may not be the most lovey-dovey but they do have feelings. So don't be an asshole. K? Just because they don't cry when upset or get all RAWR doesn't mean things don't upset them. Especially if they love/respect you. Rejection sucks for everyone. Respect him/her.

8. Your INTP may withdraw. As long as it's not permanent, it's okay. So don't always be like, "Why are you grumpy? Are you okay? What's wrong?" When they are in Ti-mode, they ARE going to appear withdrawn/grumpy/whatever. THEY STILL LOVE YOU, OKAY....so don't ask all the time. They do wuv you, but not when you ask damn annoying questions when they try to concentrate. That's a sure-fire way to make them go :steam:.

9. INTP has problems with Te. Yep, everyone has a weakness. They can't organize their shit very well. Find a way to help that isn't condescending and make them feel like incompetent shitheads, basically by planning ahead for them or delegating tasks in such a way that avoids embarrassing moments. (E.g. I pay the bills. It's easier).

10. You suck at Si. Let him help you. You're not the God of the Universe. He's a bit better at this than you are. So if he notices things in the environment you don't - TRUST HIM.

11. Your INTP may not naturally brainstorm that well. You love brainstorming. This confuses my INTP. He comes with a completely well-formulated, thought-out, holistic plan. I come to the table with a construction site that needs solutions, planning, etc. At first, this can seem annoying, but once you realize what's going on, you can capitalize on it and complement each other.

12. My INTP usually hates explaining his reasoning. If you question it, it makes it sounds like he's incompetent. This gets back to the brainstorming - he's already done that. To him, it might seem like a waste of time. "I've figured things out - why do we have to talk about it for five hundred years. This IS the best answer....I've thought it out so much."

13. Once your INTP starts respecting you about certain things, he will open up. This takes time, but after a while your INTP may notice that you are better at certain things than he is. If you gain his respect, he might come to you and ask you for your opinion. THIS IS A REALLY REALLY unusual thing, so DON'T brush him off!!!!! Even if you're busy. It makes him feel even more incompetent. "Fuck, I should know that, and I don't. And she's getting pissy at me. ARGH. Won't ask her again." This is like a cat showing its underbelly. If you fuck it up, the cat will always be on guard around you.

14. Don't expect your INTP to be geniuses at Fe. Um, you're not either. Give the guy a break.

15. However, the Fe is there, so try to cater to it a bit. Something small. Doesn't have to be big. Showing him you remembered him. Bringing home some food you know he likes. Or whatever. Don't make a big deal out of it though.

16. INTPs forget daily tasks. They want to make you happy (weak Fe) but sometimes get so into their stuff (Ti/Ne) that they forget (oops Si moment) what they wanted to do. DOn'T get pissy at them for it. Instead, start cleaning yourself. That'll remind the INTP "Oh, FUCK, I wanted to do that." Then you do it together, and it gets done faster. (Ti kicking in here, maybe?)

17. If the INTP says they want to do something, LET THEM DO IT. I find my INTP gets pissy if I say I will do something, and he offers to do it for me, and I get all Ms. Independent on his ass and say NO I'LL DO IT. Maybe it makes him feel incompetent????

18. Be sexy. They like it. Don't know why, don't expect that. But yeah, they like it. Maybe it's just a testosterone thing. But those guys like sexayyyy.

19. Do something spontaneous. Okay, this shouldn't be a problem for you.

20. BUT don't change your mind every five seconds. Makes you seem incompetent and that you don't know what you want, which seems to MAJORLY piss them off. If you want to brainstorm and say you're just throwing an idea out there - TELL THEM THAT. That's NOT their natural mode of operation, and they'll assume you have a well constructed idea, and it will PISS them off if you don't tell them your intentions. It sounds like you've got MPD or BPD or something. They need (ironically) stability in their environment (maybe because their inner world is so deep) so they can't constantly adapt to new outside influences AND keep their inner world in order??? (Just a guess).
 

nozflubber

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ewwww, ENFPs. GROSS

go watch bambi alone plz. im playing with my legos.
 

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6. Yes, your INTP has a sensual side. He/She may or may not initiate, but it's there. It needs a catalyst. Then BOOM. I assume it's the Ne + Si = pseudo Se thingy going on.

No, it's a hormones + genitals thing (add prefix "pseudo" as applicable).
 

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Okay, maybe it is a gender thing. :tongue10:

Dude, I don't fucking watch Bambi. And if I did, I would watch it alone.
 
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1. They need their mental space. Of course they love you and they want to spend time with you - IN MODERATION. Come on, you're creative. Find other ways to occupy your time.
This maybe true for introverts in general as well.


3. If you want to listen to loud music/be loud/whatever when your husband/wife is in Ti-mode, close your door. Oh, yeah, and close the door anyway. My INTP hates open doors. :shrug:
Same here.

12. My INTP usually hates explaining his reasoning. If you question it, it makes it sounds like he's incompetent. This gets back to the brainstorming - he's already done that. To him, it might seem like a waste of time. "I've figured things out - why do we have to talk about it for five hundred years. This IS the best answer....I've thought it out so much."
Same.

Then again I have Tert Ti. :shrug:
 

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Argh!!!

TI ATTACK!!!!!!! It's the semantics - NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Edit: Thanks, Tallulah. That wasn't a reaction to you! I just posted it after you did.
 

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I blame German chocolate.

Oh, crap, I didn't eat any. I guess it's just me being weird.
 

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Nice accurate list which you obviously put a lot of thought into. Well done.

My personal favorite as past relationships go:
12. My INTP usually hates explaining his reasoning. If you question it, it makes it sounds like he's incompetent. This gets back to the brainstorming - he's already done that. To him, it might seem like a waste of time. "I've figured things out - why do we have to talk about it for five hundred years. This IS the best answer....I've thought it out so much."
I've had big problems in the past with SJs who consistently second guessed my reasoning. Drove me nuts.
 
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I blame German chocolate.

Oh, crap, I didn't eat any. I guess it's just me being weird.

Or maybe all that Stasi porn got you all overly-excited. :hi:

Anyways....this is a good list. I'm not INTP but I do have Tert Ti, so I could relate to alot of what you sid - and also mentioned that alot of it could apply more generally to other introvert types.
 

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Thanks, Trent!

Here's one related to it, too.

If my INTP has done a lot of research on a topic and has a lot of experience but people don't listen to him, although his ideas are logically sound or correct, and also true in practice - JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A TITLE.

Ohhh, that makes him climb the roof.

(P.S. I would never do that, but his SJ parents do it all the time, and it drives him bat-shit crazy. Especially when at the end of the day the banker/doctor/lawyer tells them EXACTLY what he said and they didn't respect HIM but do respect THEM.)
 

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Or maybe all that Stasi porn got you all overly-excited. :hi:

Anyways....this is a good list. I'm not INTP but I do have Tert Ti, so I could relate to alot of what you sid - and also mentioned that alot of it could apply more generally to other introvert types.

Thanks, Peguy, for your input. It would be interesting to see if people with a well developed Ti in general relate to some/most/all of these points. Or even others.
 

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Nice accurate list which you obviously put a lot of thought into. Well done.

My personal favorite as past relationships go:

I've had big problems in the past with SJs who consistently second guessed my reasoning. Drove me nuts.

I was dating an INTP/hung out with an INTP for several months, and this about him DROVE ME CRAZY.

Is it really bad to question someone how they came up with something?

ENFP: So, I'm thinking we should do X and Y about Z.
INTP: No, I think we should do W.
ENFP: W? Really? I thought about that, but i don't think it'll work.
INTP: It's W.
ENFP: ... Why are you so certain?
INTP: Because it is W! Trust me, I've thought about it.
ENFP: Well, I thought about it too, what makes you so certain?
INTP: Because, I thought about it. I don't need to explain myself.


Well, I dunno, I think in brainstorming sessions, you DO NEED TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF. You can't just go around stating 'facts' just because you see them as 'facts'.

Ahh, sorry, big rant. Brings me back to those days and I'm getting all pissy, lol... does Ti have to ALWAYS WIN against Te?? Can't Ti be wrong??
 

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Thanks, Trent!

Here's one related to it, too.

If my INTP has done a lot of research on a topic and has a lot of experience but people don't listen to him, although his ideas are logically sound or correct, and also true in practice - JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A TITLE.

Ohhh, that makes him climb the roof.

(P.S. I would never do that, but his SJ parents do it all the time, and it drives him bat-shit crazy. Especially when at the end of the day the banker/doctor/lawyer tells them EXACTLY what he said and they didn't respect HIM but do respect THEM.)

This drives me nuts, too. I had a friend who would complain about her problems and ask what she should do, and I would tell her and she would admit I was right. But then she wouldn't take it seriously unless someone with a penis told her the same thing. :smile:
 
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Here's a link that gets into what I was saying, pointing to general differences between Introverts and Extroverts:
Introverts have more brain activity in their frontal lobes and when these areas are activated through solitary activity, introverts become energized through processes such as problem solving, introspection, and complex thinking.

Extroverts on the other hand tend to have more activity in the back of their brain, areas that deal with processing sensory information from the external world, so they tend to search for external stimuli in the form of interacting with other people and the outside world to energize them.

Introverts love anything that involves deep conversation. They get energized by discussing subjects that are important to them and they love see what and how other people think, to connect the dots, to dig deep, to find root causes, to use logical thinking via debate in conversation, etc.

And what’s more, introverts can do a lot of things extroverts are naturally good at - give great speeches, schmooze with everyone, be the life of the party, charm the socks off of total strangers - but only for a short period of time. After that, they need time for themselves which brings us to the fourth point.

They need time alone like they need food and water. Give them their space. There’s nothing wrong with them. They’re not depressed and they’re not sad. They just need time alone to recharge their batteries.

Top 5 Things Every Extrovert Should Know About Introverts


This seems to touch alot of what you were mentioning LL, and this isn't even looking at INTPs specifically. I can relate to alot of what was mentioned as far as introvert characteristics, esepcially about how too much socializing tends to drain me and how I need alone time to recharge. Also how I can actually be the life of the party, but only for brief moments at a time.

I could also get into a common problem of the subtle assumption that there's something wrong with being introverted when extroverts try to offer us advice or help. I don't know if this comes up between you and your husband per se.
 

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Hmm, I generally have no problems with those who want my reasoning explained :shrug:

If anything, I'd think they were idiots if they just took everything I said as truth.
 

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You're absolutely right. At these times, you're in a Ne/Fi/Te mode, and he's in a Ti/Ne/Si mode.

ENFP: Let's look at all the options!!!!!! What makes us feel good??? What gives us the optimal benefit with the least cost and the BEST time????

INTP: Okay, ***mull, mull, mull, grind, grind, grind, mull, mull, mull, compute, compute, compute, twist, twist, twist, mull, mull, mull, analyze, analyze, analyze, input, input, input, options, options, options, analyze, analyze, analyze, experience, experience, experience, ideas, ideas, ideas, analyze, analyze, analyze ***PING***

And the answer is: 42

ENFP: Well, first I thought it could be 12. Or maybe 3. It could even be 5,609,720. What do you think?

INTP: It's 42.

ENFP: 42?!?! That's interesting. Never thought of 42. Why?

INTP: 42.

ENFP: Yes, I understand, but why.

INTP: 42.

ENFP: Jesus H. Christ, are you a computer with a 0/1 function? I asked WHY????????

INTP: 42. It's 42. I don't know how many times I have to say 42.

ENFP: AJKLSJFLJKLAFLJKDJFKLSJKLDSFLJDJLLJFDKSLJKFAKLJSFJJLFDJLLDJF

INTP: Why are you getting emotional? I gave you an answer. A simple, easy-to-comprehend-even-for-your-dumb-ass answer. 42.

ENFP: WTF?????????

INTP: I repeat, 42.

ENFP: WHY THE FUCK IS IT 42????

INTP: Just because your inferior mind doesn't understand, doesn't make it un-42.

ENFP: Dude, I'm trying to understand why it's 42.

INTP: The truth is it is 42.

ENFP: What a tard. Doesn't he understand THE WORDS COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH???? WHY? W_H_Y????

INTP: Foooooooooooorrtttttyyyyyyyyyy-twwwwwwooooooooooooooo.

ENFP: I fucking give up. Okay. Asshole. We'll do 42. But if it fucking goes awry, I'm holding you personally responsible. GOT THAT????

INTP: 42.

***two hours later***

ENFP: OMG!!!!!! OMFG!!!!!!!! 42 IS LIKE THE AWESOMEST, MOST FANTASTIC THING EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!! ***hugs***:wubbie::wubbie::wubbie::D:D:D:hug::hug::hug::hifive::hifive::hifive:

INTP: I told you. 42.
 
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