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[NF] Wondering what NF's beliefs are

Your boleves

  • Gnostic Theist

    Votes: 6 17.1%
  • Agnostic Theist

    Votes: 9 25.7%
  • Gnostic Atheist

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Agnostic Atheist

    Votes: 14 40.0%
  • Implicit Atheist

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • ALL OF DEM/none of them

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Total voters
    35

Shiet_Happens

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PLEASE VOTE :)

and please don't start a debate whos view is correct, thats for that other board/place

If you don't kno the difference:

Gnostic Theist: "I believe in a God, and we can prove it."

Agnotstic Theist: "I believe in a God, but I don't think we can prove or disprove it."

Gnostic Atheist: "I don't believe in a God, and I think we can prove it."

Agnostic Atheist: "I don't believe in a God, and I don't think we can prove or disprove it."

Implicit Atheism: Basically people who havn't made up thier minds yet, like newborns.

Explicit Atheism: An active disbelief.(one of the first two atheistic beliefs)

Sorry if none of those choices suit you.
 

OrangeAppled

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What do you mean by "prove"? As in scientific proof?
 

Shiet_Happens

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of course, or at least thier interpretation of scientifically proving it
 

tkae.

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Agnotstic Theist: "I believe in a God, but I don't think we can prove or disprove it."

I think that the possibility to prove God's existence belies the actual concept of God. If we could prove it without a shadow of a doubt, faith would be meaningless. It'd be in the same realm as prostitution, where we're given a tangible to devote ourselves to God.

It says a lot more about my love if I can overcome the doubts that come with being a human and believe in something based on how I feel, which is the beauty of humanity, and not how I think, which is a weak and flawed method of interaction with the world.

Plus, humans will never be able to prove something like that. We don't even know what consciousness is, or what life is. We can't explain why an amoeba created in a test tube isn't the same as one created in nature. We can completely reconstruct even the simplest of organisms, but that doesn't mean we know what makes their bodies different from the "life" that moves the structure.

We can't even manage to establish a system where there's no hunger hunger or war.

But we're gonna prove there is or isn't a God, right?

:shock:
 

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of course, or at least thier interpretation of scientifically proving it

Well, science studies the natural world. It does not study the realm of spirituality. Science cannot prove or disprove God, but that's due to the limitation of science. To me, it's beside the point to prove/disprove God scientifically.

If the first answer means to have a reasonable explanation regarding the existence of a personable God, then that's different...
 

jdmn

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I believe in a God, but I think our capacity of knowledge cannot prove its existence.
But I do believe that religion, gods, priests and all those religious elements has a very clear moral end, to live a good life so we can live happy. I think this is rather the ultimate goal of religion and all its kinds, even atheism, using faith or the lack of it as a tool to live a good happy life. Practical reason put into practice.

So I'm an agnostic theist. :D
 

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I am a Gnostic Theist, and prove God's existence by fiat (i.e. with my huge ego).
 
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I voted for agnostic theist, because we can't really prove God's existence to everyone's satisfaction, but I'm convinced that God exists because I have experienced divine intervention in my own life. Things have happened in my life that are so amazingly weird and improbable that there really is no other explanation. :shock:
 
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I don't think that we'll be able to prove a concept that's so personal, philosophical, and abstract.

Many have differing perceptions of what God is. Arriving at a common definition and refining that definition in the face of new information would be a good place to start when trying to prove the existence of God. Some definitions are self-evident ("God is the universe"), others are not ("One specific person died to cleanse us of sin").

I also don't think proof is as worthy a goal as we tend to believe. We'd be better off to focus on our personal connection to whatever God is.
 

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well it think it also depends on how we define "proof"

I mean, if my "god" is science (you could say it is I guess), and the scientific method is the standard by which we're measuring this "proof" then uh...that's problematic.
 

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I voted gnostic theist, although I am unsure of how I can prove to other people that God exists. I think that "proving" God exists defeats the purpose. You're supposed to have faith in God, regardless if there is proof or not.


If we did have proof it would be a fact, not a belief.
 

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I don't believe in any kind of god, psychic powers, ect.
 

Random Ness

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Cool, us agnostics rule the poll!!!

I, though, am beyond agnosticism. I'm a nihilist. It's like extreme agnosticism--not only do I believe that the concept of a god is subjective, but I think existence itself is subjective.
 

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I'm an agnostic atheist.

Still :

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And being recently studying buddhism (which takes a very logical approach to all of this) only reinforces the "beliefs" I've held since I was a little kid.
 

KDude

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And being recently studying buddhism (which takes a very logical approach to all of this) only reinforces the "beliefs" I've held since I was a little kid.

I would try to stop evil myself, and I do it because of beliefs in God. Maybe God's just experimenting with having agents to do this, in this little epoch of ours. Ever thought of that? :cheese: I could even find support in Christianity for the very same thoughts Buddhism espouses.. that what ultimately matters is right action, etc.. To turn the question on ourselves. If there's evil, is it more productive to ask what God is doing, or what you are doing? Even Jesus of Nazareth answers like a Buddhist. They are more alike than not.

Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20
 

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I would try to stop evil myself, and I do it because of beliefs in God. Maybe God's just experimenting with having agents to do this, in this little epoch of ours. Ever thought of that? :cheese: I could even find support in Christianity for the very same thoughts Buddhism espouses.. that what ultimately matters is right action, etc.. To turn the question on ourselves. If there's evil, is it more productive to ask what God is doing, or what you are doing? Even Jesus of Nazareth answers like a Buddhist. They are more alike than not.

Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20

Oh I agree with many of Christianity's concepts (and like you said there is some overlapping with Buddhism too). But I just don't need to believe in a god to do all those things and be that person. Nor is there a good reason why there has to be a god for it to be valid.
 

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I am a Gnostic Theist, and prove God's existence by fiat (i.e. with my huge ego).
:cheers:

I believe in God, I also believe that a person should choose their beliefs themselves and not have someone else tell them what to believe. That's not to say that someone shouldn't consider other people's views, but to just believe what someone tells you without evaluating it for yourself is dangerous.
 

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agnostic atheist. it just seems a bit farfetched- the idea of some puppetting us through life's little drudgeries. it would be great if there was a god or whatever, but to me its kind of in the boat with ghosts and santa claus. people should still be good to one another, though- a disbelief in god or religion shouldnt be a cop-out for being a shitty human.
 
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