To untangle the mess that is Ne, you need a sounding board, you need to feel like someone can give you a baseline so you can sort out the emotions going through you.
right. it's a need to hunt out objectivity when things are going apeshit in our heads. our 3rd function is Te, which sends us the FYI that we are not being objective, but the problem with Te is that it cannot be solved internally. it must be used via action. i have discovered that if i write things out, that is a good way of engaging Te too, but to be honest it's much more pleasant to have another person who can offer more support and/or ass kicking than a blank sheet o' Word document.
but i would never expect that of random strangers, or without exchange. instead, in a close relationship, i prefer that this can be my "take" in the give-and-take. certainly i am more than willing to help the other person in whatever ways they need as well. and, let's face it, an objective and enthused ENFP is much more pleasant and useful than an emo time bomb one, as satine accurately phrased it.
GET IN A FIGHT WITH EVERYONE. THEN HUG IT OUT.
Okay so to say it again, this is valid. But I just think that what the OP outlined is still going to sound egocentric and immature. Not something I understand that healthy ENFPs would be in their communication. But just remember that when you feel upset you might get so focused on your own emotions that you lose touch with reality.
the OP was - and no offense to wonka, but - strongly and very personally worded. it irks me as well as you. the funny thing, though, is that the OP was also voicing the desire to reconnect with reality. we simply can't do it internally, thus his asking patience in letting us be informative. ENFPs know that we need it, we just have a hard time getting back there because we don't have Ti assistance and Fi is throwing our ability to judge out of whack - unlike in a Te dom/aux where Te can just tell Fi to shut the fuck up until it feels like being helpful again. though the more we develop Te, the more it can help us with that.
I'm glad I'm one of the rare NF females that doesn't need to be saved by an NT male's quick non-feelings.
yeah, brief note to some Ts - because you guys don't use emotions on a regular basis, i think sometimes it's hard to grasp that they can be terribly subtle and very useful on an everyday basis, and not just manifest as tidal waves that mess us up (though to be sure, they can mess us up.)
the funny thing about Fi in particular is that we really appreciate your wanting to help set us straight, but we need to get over things on our own terms. we really love your support and redirection, but just like you wouldn't appreciate an F restructuring your Ti for you, we don't really have much interest in you telling us how we should be, or devaluing us for our way of being. it is entirely possible to be a reasonable and intelligent ENFP, which does entail being in touch with emotion. someone - maybe satine - has likened Fi to a wild horse. amazing to ride, but what a bitch sometimes. and she needs to be - not tamed - but befriended. if you would really like to help us, then point out where we're going wrong. Ti and Te are awesome at this. but we are not interested in hearing that the things that matter to us, should not. just as you are not.
that said, lord knows i could learn a lesson or two from your logic and i generally appreciate and admire you and your rationale. nor does this apply to every T by any means. most Ts in this thread have been great when it comes to all this.
