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    Is there anyway you can take this into the Wonka-thread where he expressed these concerns, at least, instead of a thread that's gotten to be a general thread and which could go to a constructive place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    I only took the personal insults as personal insults. I really doubt you have the magical ability to read my mind, especially since you don't even know where I am.
    Was talking about wonka, not you. I was agreeing with you, partially.
    You lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    And yeah, don't bitch about people when they can't defend themselves. That blows.
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    No he quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    So he can start a discussion, not listen, then storm out. And if someone says their opinion of what he did, they're fucked up?

    How is what you're doing any better? Sure, the rhetoric sounds all official or whatever, but that doesn't mean you're any less full of it.
    I've already given you my opinion on the matter. You just didn't listen.

    Look again.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...8-post284.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Can we give Wonka a break already?
    I agree. The guy is human, not a rusty robot.

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    Back on track:

    I see a serious disparity between those who are searching primarily for acceptance/love/sharing/understanding even if it means not necessarily being straight-forward and those who are searching primarily for truth/honesty/solutions even if it means temporary strife.

    Or have I got it wrong?

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    ^^^

    haha ENFPs getting back on track, fancy that

    the funny thing to me, is that of those two i am much more drawn to acceptance/love/sharing/understanding. as i would guess are most Fs? but i am of the opinion that temporary strife is part and parcel to that.

    telling someone to ignore what they really feel about something because it keeps the peace is no good because then those personal underlying issues don't get solved. helping them sort it out in a rational and peaceful manner, on the other hand, is excellent. which is why ENFPs INTJs

    LL if you don't mind me asking can you give examples of two people who have voiced these differences? or is this like the classic Fi/Fe thing? or T/F?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Was talking about wonka, not you. I was agreeing with you, partially.
    Oops, sorry dude. I jumped the gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I've already given you my opinion on the matter. You just didn't listen.

    Look again.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...8-post284.html
    I don't really like that advice. It gives some ENFPs a rationalization to just act crazy. I don't find that acceptable whatsoever.

    And I surely don't want to be told something like Wonka was saying in his OP. It basically reduces to "when I act crazy, just give in, that way, you'll avoid me getting all pissed about you not agreeing with the first thing I was pissed about!" That kind of reasoning sets a horrible precedent, and I think giving into people like that just makes them worse.

    I act super chill around most people most of the time. When I get irrational, I apologize, I don't tell people to just deal with it. That just does added damage, and is totally narcissistic.

    The only people I don't act chill around are people that manipulate others into being chill around them! If a person can't provide worthwhile companionship for someone, they shouldn't guilt trip their way into a relationship with them. If they really want respect, they have to earn it like anyone else.

    Being an ENFP has absolutely nothing to do with this (except maybe a surface level correlation). Type is useless in this discussion.

    For the sake of the rest of the ENFPs, I'm trying really hard to separate Wonka out. His point in the OP makes ENFPs look bad -- when really he should've kept it as a personal thing.

    This is where people fall into the MBTI trap and miss the big picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Back on track:

    I see a serious disparity between those who are searching primarily for acceptance/love/sharing/understanding even if it means not necessarily being straight-forward and those who are searching primarily for truth/honesty/solutions even if it means temporary strife.

    Or have I got it wrong?
    There really shouldn't be a disparity. In order to get true love from someone, you have to be open to your own shortcomings (and blindness to them, and bias against believing them). If you can't take a little criticism, you'll always wonder why you can't find "true love".

    It's not all sunshine and rainbows.

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    Evan, I agree that I would rather have a little cat fight and get things out of the way rather than let things fester, just smile and nod, etc. And there are some things - yes, even about ENFPs - that I really do not understand.

    I don't think the answer is just to stand there and smile and nod when the ENFP is freaking out. Of course, the answer is also not to just scream your head off at them.

    Mutual respect is the most important thing. There are going to be conflicts and fights. But don't be fake just to make me happy. Just wait for me to be a little bit more rational, and I'll be able to listen to your ideas.

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