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    I am good with either Idealist or Rational. I admire both profoundly. I also rather he stop the Fe-overload and over-empathy and just go get things done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalemate View Post
    Hmmm interesting. At a conference I was at a few months ago a guy that works for keirsey told us that there has never been an idealist president and that idealists want to think Obama is one but he is really a rational. He said if you see him when he isn't so under the spotlight it is fairly obvious.

    He presented Clinton as ESFP.
    Yeah, I kind of get the feeling Obama's over-flowery speeches are the result of being raised around "preacher cadence" and more of a cultural thing.
    George Bernard Shaw in cartoon form.

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    Obama is ENTP

    Quote Originally Posted by stalemate View Post
    Hmmm interesting. At a conference I was at a few months ago a guy that works for keirsey told us that there has never been an idealist president and that idealists want to think Obama is one but he is really a rational. He said if you see him when he isn't so under the spotlight it is fairly obvious.

    He presented Clinton as ESFP.
    Idealist can't make it in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
    Idealist can't make it in the real world.

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    ...Didn't reach 40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
    ...Didn't reach 40.
    Tough price, isn't it? :\ Either way, we'd be poorer without some of his time spent in the real world.

    Pretty sure Che was a more militant (some would say bad) INFJ. He was dead at 39, but Satre once said he was "the most complete human of the modern age" (I'm assuming for his job as a physician and intellectual capacity, as well as the revolutionary period of his life).

    “Many will call me an adventurer - and that I am, only one of a different sort: one of those who risks his skin to prove his platitudes.” -Che Guevara


    You can't argue that he didn't live in the real world though.

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    Yep.

    As I said, they can't make it. They accelerate the history of mankind too fast and have to be obliterated by time.
    Last edited by You; 09-17-2010 at 11:45 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
    Obama is ENTP
    where do you see the Ne? or the P?

    Idealist can't make it in the real world.
    oh boo on you, i think we can do just fine. Oprah seems to have done well enough for herself.

    other famous ones and their types according to popular opinion...
    ENFJ - Maslow, Elizabeth Dole, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Mead
    ENFP - Eleanor Roosevelt, I King Jordan, Dr. Seuss
    INFJ - Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa, Tom Selleck
    INFP - Carl Rogers... and er...

    okay so maybe it's just INFP that's screwed. Diana, JFK, etc

    just kidding INFPs.

    anyway Gorbachev is an ENFJ according to the people behind the Keirsey Temperament Sorter.

    They accelerate the history of mankind too fast and have to obliterated by time.


    the truth is really just that we've got it all figured out. we're just waiting for everyone else to catch up, too.

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    I'm not a Republican, but I probably would have voted for Elizabeth Dole at one point. As far as politicians go, she didn't seem bad at all. She reminds me of an ENFJ employer I had once.

    INFPs have many great writers and artists to claim. It's enough to inspire a young leader somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    INFJ - Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa, Tom Selleck
    Gandhi, check.
    Nelson Mandela, check.
    Mother Teresa, check.
    Tom Selleck? Hmmmm.... Does he bring the quality of the list up or down.



    Oh, and Bill Clinton is TOTALLY an ENFP. Not one shred of doubt in my mind. Excellent bullshitting skills. Married to an INTJ. Can't keep his crap together half the time. And, truly gets off on meeting new and interesting people.

    I saw him speak in a very small venue once. About 100 people. He has this way of connecting with people that is absolutely Ne with Fi. No doubt about it.
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