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    `~~Philosoflying~~` SillySapienne's Avatar
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    Default A female ENFP, an atheist, and a part-time misanthrope...

    I am new to this forum, and am curious if there are any other ENFPs, or NFs who also happen to be atheists and slightly misanthropic.

    Growing up, I recall never really believing in "God", and by age 11, or 12, I became evermore certain that the existence of a "higher power" was highly improbable, to the point of bordering the impossible, (hence me feeling comfortable classifying myself as an atheist and not an agnostic). Interestingly enough, my lack of belief in a higher power has had no affect on what has always been my strong sense of right and wrong. I suppose that throughout life, my somewhat strong feelings of both empathy and compassion have acted as my guiding lights in influencing my moral beliefs, and steering my ethical actions.

    I believe that the nature of nature itself is inherently neutral, where things just exist, period. However, I believe that from a human perspective, the realities of life set in this natural, neutral world, depending on mood and circumstance, can at times be perceived as being an awe-inspiring and beautiful thing, and at other times be perceived as being downright perverse in its unjust, absolutely horrific ugliness.

    I'm starting to believe that it is human nature to be selfish and competitive, after all, we are animals, and at the most basic level, are genetically driven to strive for not only our survival, but if, and when the opportunity arises, to capitalize on available resources, while competing for limited ones in order to flourish and successfully procreate.

    I know that there are "good" people out there, and by good I mean those people that sincerely care about other people other than themselves, but I'll tell ya, as I get older, I find that those people become fewer and farther between, dispersed amongst the masses.

    Sorry, this is somewhat of a rant....

    Anyhow, I would love to hear any thoughts you guys might have on this topic
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    Welcome to the forum.

    I'm an ENFP and a misanthrope, but I consider myself to be agnostic rather than atheist. I'm perfectly fine with saying "I don't know" and leaving it at that. I don't mind the open-endedness.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    thanks for the welcome.

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    misanthropic.. I actually had to look that word up. It does seem to suit me tho. I'm generally jaded with the world at large as I don't like where the world seems to be heading. Nanny Statism and the people who preach it can kiss my ass to be honest.

    When it comes to religion, I don't have much use for it, beyond things like the bible possibly being more of a general moral guideline. I haven't actually read it though so. Sometimes I get the feeling it was something created long ago as a means of population control by some ruler. A way to get people to do as he wanted with the promise of rewards or consequences when they died if they did or didn't.

    When to comes to a "higher power". I don't really think about it much. So what if there is or isn't? It's not something that can be proved or disproved beyond any reasonable doubt, and I'm not gonna let it effect my life.

    For all we know our kids or grandkids will become what are referred to as "gods". In that all we are is some kids school project on bioengineering and artificial intelligence. Where what we consider to be one year/decade, could be like a nanosecond to them. Same with the scale of size. I dunno I guess kinda like the ending scene in the movie Men in Black with the aliens playing marbles?

    Atheist? Agnostic? *shrugs*
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    Yea, welcome, CaptainChick! Always nice to see another ENFP wandering around.

    I've never felt particularly religious, but I agree with Lateralus - I think saying with absolute certainty that there isn't a God is much the same as saying with absolute certainty that there is. There's no way we can ever really know, when it comes down to it.

    But as far as the world being what it is, that sounds about right... although I do hold out faith that there are plenty of good people out there.
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    Fi can lead to such things, while you will rarely see it in FJs, at least when it comes to the misanthropic part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    Fi can lead to such things, while you will rarely see it in FJs.
    O rly??
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    O rly??
    of course not.
    Personaly, I don't *care* if god exists or not. People can be good people with or without a belief in heaven and hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    Fi can lead to such things, while you will rarely see it in FJs, at least when it comes to the misanthropic part.
    Yeah, I definitely prefer the humanistic psychology approach, but I can understand how others would see it as too idealistic.

    I was actually reading this to add that my best friend is an ENFP and it seems like she shares the same view. I'm definitely not saying it pertains to all ENFP's, but in her specific case she is simply too unmotivated to pursue anything that takes her out of her comfort zone. For her it's just easier to think there isn't any kind of higher being rather than spending time contemplating it. Interestingly, when our friend committed suicide she cried hysterically the day of his funeral and said she hoped there was an afterlife for his sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    I am new to this forum, and am curious if there are any other ENFPs, or NFs who also happen to be atheists and slightly misanthropic.
    Vortex, I believe this is your cue. (I'm not sure about the atheism part.) In the meantime, here's her blog:

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    I'm probably designed to have a job with zero customer contact. Except perhaps via mail. That would make me quite happy. There could be coworkers there, but not too often - people to meet at the water thingie and bring cups of coffee back to. Maybe a couple of quick remarks at lunch.

    I'm so sick of smiling all the time. One part of me fights to be people-pleasing, nice and pleasant in general, while the other part shouts at me, reminding me that I dislike people in general and strangers in my vicinity in particular. And I'm stuck smiling because there aren't really any other options. One day I'm sure my face will be stuck in some hideous death mask-like rictus, grinning like a corpse wrenched from the grave. Jolly days await.

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