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    ss left the below quote in another thread:

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    I have NEVER been jealous of anyone, EVER, I think jealousy and envy are disgusting behaviors.

    I will feel sorry for myself, I will go into my shell, and self-destruct, but I would and will NEVER WANT TO HURT ANYONE ELSE, EVER.

    FUCK, I even feel guilty when I'm depressed because this hurts the ones I love, but I can't help it. :sad:

    Also, I CANNOT STAND THOSE WHO INFECT THEIR MISERY ONTO OTHERS, YUCK, YUCK, YUCK, AND DESPICABLE!!!!

    I've NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER been jealous of my friends, nor have I ever been possessive of them.

    I believe that people should do what they want, I HATE FORCE, AND BEING FORCED, so I will never force you to do or be someone or something you're not, or you don't want to.


    Very few people actually fully exemplify each of the 16 archetypes, which makes perfect sense, when I took the test, there were maybe 5 questions that I coulda answered either way, but the rest were ridiculously easy for me to answer, like duh, of course, you know?
    in the same thread ENFPs were discussing what Fi means to them and how we use it.

    This is kind of an important question for me personally as I have been labeled as a stupid ENTP in the past because of how my Fi differs from other peoples in its expression.

    I thought up some questions, but please feel free to be very free form and just write whatever you would like...

    1. what is Fi for you...how do you feel yourself using it...?

    2. Do you externalize your Fi judgments and let others know what you think?

    3. How much Fi vs Te do you use and do you feel it has shaped you differently?

    4. Do you find you have weird Fi values at times from others?

    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?

    6. Do you ever feel conflicted by Fi vs Te finding different paths?

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    1. what is Fi for you...how do you feel yourself using it...?

    It gives me my edge and helps me make decisions. It's the fuel for my Ne.
    2. Do you externalize your Fi judgments and let others know what you think?
    Yes, a lot. I don't care if people disagree because my Fi judgments are very important to me and aren't usually that far off.

    3. How much Fi vs Te do you use and do you feel it has shaped you differently?
    Lately, I've confused my tertiary Te with my inferior Fi. Must be using a lot of both, but I feel more powerful driven then other ENFPs, I've noticed.

    4. Do you find you have weird Fi values at times from others?
    Yes.

    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?

    It doesn't. At all. When I'm in Fi-mode-which isn't that much anymore as I get older-I feel and act like an INFP.
    6. Do you ever feel conflicted by Fi vs Te finding different paths?
    A big problem for ENFPs, I think, is the fight between Romanticism and Reality. A good idea vs. a practical idea. For me, it's finding a college. But it's always a tough pull both ways.

    Stuff I agree and disagree with in SS's post:

    agree:
    I will feel sorry for myself, I will go into my shell, and self-destruct, but I would and will NEVER WANT TO HURT ANYONE ELSE, EVER.

    FUCK, I even feel guilty when I'm depressed because this hurts the ones I love, but I can't help it.

    Also, I CANNOT STAND THOSE WHO INFECT THEIR MISERY ONTO OTHERS, YUCK, YUCK, YUCK, AND DESPICABLE!!!!

    I believe that people should do what they want, I HATE FORCE, AND BEING FORCED, so I will never force you to do or be someone or something you're not, or you don't want to.

    but I disagree on...

    I have NEVER been jealous of anyone, EVER, I think jealousy and envy are disgusting behaviors.

    I've NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER been jealous of my friends, nor have I ever been possessive of them.

    ..because I do get very jealous. But I never act out or do anything because of it. It's an internalized feeling that I'd never have the guts or heart to express.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    1. what is Fi for you...how do you feel yourself using it...?

    It's my identity and my value system and my empathy, all in one. I use it every time people are involved, whether it's to defend my values, empathize with them or to expound on the perfect scenario for any given situation.

    2. Do you externalize your Fi judgments and let others know what you think?

    Yes. Nothing wrong ever comes from more communication (and indeed it's one way to realize the pure truth behind human relationships), so yes.

    3. How much Fi vs Te do you use and do you feel it has shaped you differently?

    I think I only use Te as a façade. As a caricature. People who know me know I'm pathetically romantic/idealist but I've grown accustomed to not showing my feelings and I am satirically hard on people when in fact I'm usually thinking the opposite. It's seriously fucked up but every time I do communicate my Fi directly, without using Te as a façade (which people don't even get in the end) I feel very weak and exposed. I am enneagram 8 so, you get the pic.

    4. Do you find you have weird Fi values at times from others?

    Everyday. Even compared to other NFPs. Feel like a pedantic freak when it comes to morals and values.

    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?

    My Fi is just as big as my Ne really, but I guess I can still detach and be playful before going into Fi territory. Fi is a more conscious exercise for ENFPs and more kneejerk for INFPs I guess. It tends to occupy my thoughts more than Ne ever does, though.

    6. Do you ever feel conflicted by Fi vs Te finding different paths?


    It's the crux of my existence really. I'm a weird ENFP because of this. My discourse might very much seems like Te because I'm aggressive, but it's the only way I know how to convey my Fi. Inside I might be empathizing greatly with someone and want to give some compassion.....but for whatever reason, I feel obligated to be harsh and say stuff like "Snap out of it!Grow a pair!" because I want people to feel strong and headstrong and at the same time, I almost unconsciously try to ridicule their plights....to put them in perspective so that they don't suffer. It's like if empathizing I'm agreeing with them that this is a bad world or a fucked up situation and it's justifiable to feel miserable. But I hate seeing people being miserable so I downplay the importance of the unwanted events and am harsh with them to toughen them up to deal with life. Eh, in my head anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    ss left the below quote in another thread:



    in the same thread ENFPs were discussing what Fi means to them and how we use it.

    This is kind of an important question for me personally as I have been labeled as a stupid ENTP in the past because of how my Fi differs from other peoples in its expression.

    I thought up some questions, but please feel free to be very free form and just write whatever you would like...

    1. what is Fi for you...how do you feel yourself using it...?

    2. Do you externalize your Fi judgments and let others know what you think?

    3. How much Fi vs Te do you use and do you feel it has shaped you differently?

    4. Do you find you have weird Fi values at times from others?

    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?

    6. Do you ever feel conflicted by Fi vs Te finding different paths?

    1. Fi to me is what makes up my inner world. How I would want reality to be, and what I fight for everyday. It's my core. It's my inner world, the storage space where all the useful Ne-ideas get sorted out and put together to fit a wonderful magical world that I'm building in my head. It's also what tells me instantly when something's wrong or awesome, it's actually a physical sensation that.

    I use it by closing my eyes and have Ne conjure a picture of the options in front of me. The option that makes my heart 'jump', is the right choice for me.

    It is also what drives me to understand others, to gain their perspective. Ne fleshes out the perspective they're likely to have, and Fi figures out why, how it logically makes sense and how it's likely to be connected to other behaviors. It makes emotional logical sense out of people's drives and motivations, compares it to my own emotional state if I were to be in that situation (again together with Ne), and adjusts according to the data that Si has on that person, to match their likely emotional response to a situation as closely as possible. And then it makes me experience it as if I was that person. In more abstract terms, it takes the info gathered by Ne and Si on people in general and distills groundrules for emotional logic from it, always searching for the missing link in the puzzle and the logical reason behind a certain behavior or emotion. Everytime I get a new piece, I get a an aha-erlebnis as they call it, it gives me more of an oversight on how people work, or deeper insight, kinda like x-ray vision into a person's mind/heart/soul.

    It tends to love beauty and harmony in all its forms, be it visual, audio, psychological, and is therefore prone to loving people it considers beautiful in some way of another and strive to becoming a vision of beauty itself, as well as actively manipulate the world around itself to do the same.

    2. One of my Fi values is to not judge instantly, or at least definitively. I let Ne finish its job first, and make sure I have all the info I need. Fi instantly sniffs out what info is still necessary first, and I will reserve judgement until I have it all. If I'm forced to give it up due to timeconstraints or the like, I can however. I will present a rudimentary analysis based on the info I've gathered. But, Te will be in charge of delivering it, as Fi is still reserving judgement due to lack of data. The process is not finished yet. I'm a firm believer in being honest and the truth, so, if asked, I will answer honestly and give my opinion yes. I'm also a firm believer in letting people decide their own course of action as long as they do not harm anyone else in the process. So I will seek to understand their thoughtprocess when I cannot see it, in order to see the value in what they're doing and if necessary, present them with a different course of action that will gain them the same thing, if necessary. If others are at risk, and there's limited time, I might go about it the Te-hammer way, in order to save time and make amends later. Otherwise, I'll try to disuade them from their course of action, presenting my case and appealing to what I think is important to them. Most of the time, I will just stay out of their way and move around them if need be.

    3. Fi has always kept my Te on a leash. I've always felt ashamed for using Te, and barging through stuff. I felt guilty every time that happened. I will give people the benefit of the doubt and only in self defense use Te. I also don't like engaging in Te for long as I tend to run out of steam soon and it drains me like mad. I have to be really pissed, fuming or determined to keep going and it tends to have the finesse of a frigging bulldozer at that point. I can also use Te to do small tasks that do not require much thought and quite enjoy that, but only for a day or so, after that, it feels empty.

    Fi on the other hand is my lifeforce. Where Te can feel empty if not driven by Fi, Fi is pure fuel to me. Connecting with others, reading them, I will use Te to catalogue data, but that's it. It assists humbly my NeFi to channel the data, that's it. My Fi is where I wanna live. I bask in it, it feels good, even when it's dark and gloomy, it crackles like lightning and fuels me much in the same way that electricity fuels many things in this world. My absolute favorite state is being on a Fi-high and just *feel*, and feel at one with everything that's alive, to figure things out and watch the puzzle pieces fall in place in an attempt to answer the great questions of Life itself.

    Fi gives me meaning in life, it gives me purpose.

    I do feel that it's made me rather useless in a practical way. Fi isn't...something that's handy to survive on this planet. Yes, it's at the core as to why life is worth living but it doesn't really...get you anywhere
    I do feel ashamed of that at times and it's one of the reasons I truly admire NTJs and STPs...they do what I...welll...suck at

    4. I don't feel my Fi-values are that different from other Fi-users. I do admit though that i've been labelled weird by Fe-users all my life, and it's been lonely. On the other hand, I do enjoy them being mine, and mine alone in a way. After all, it's a blueprint of who I am and every person is unique. Though the most important ones are probably shared by other Fi-users, it is my genetic make-up and my environment that has shaped who I am today.

    5. Good question. And if you'd ve asked yesterday I'dve struggled answering. After reading the function order, I do believe that my Fi is mostly geared towards others. Though I too have my own world to retreat to and lick my wounds, it was primarely created to have a place to hide and shelter. As an escape. I believe a Fi-user doesn't ever vacate that world, and brings that world into our world, into reality, whereas I bring bits and pieces to try and create a bridge to my world, I'd say. I also think I'm less likely to instantly feel strongly about a person or situation, and that Ne gives more of a buffer where you first wanna get all the info you can get (sweet delicious info...) before you make up your mind, whereas Fi-doms will probably match something more to their ideal and instantly see the differences and holes in reality. I think Fi-doms to certain extent *are* their inner world personafied, whereas I use mine as a source of inspiration for me to love and encourage/ motivate others with as well as a place to hide from the cruel world when need be. Fi-doms are more likely to be 'wise' I'd say, as they ponder way more on universal truths, whereas I learn them through seeing patterns and applying something I've learned or experienced to several other scenarios and seeing what fits and what doesn't. Add a touch of Fi and you get to distill those same truths..I just take the round about way


    6. Yes of course. I mostly have this when I'm *expected* to achieve stuff, or get to a goal. Be it gamenight with friends, or getting the job done at work, I struggle with it like mad. I enjoy a game when i get to enjoy the journey and everyone is having a good time and I get to build something pretty (beauty and harmony, Fi loves it!). If I play the game the Fi way, I will lose, and disappoint my partner, or not even get any chance of actually playing it to build pretty things as I'm being overrun by the enemy. If I play it Te-style, I'm crushing others, feeling guilty over it and not enjoying it at all as it feels like work. And pointless at that (It's a game, for gods sake!). With the job it is easier, as I feel it's my responsibility to not let my boss down. On the other hand, make me do that every day and I'll wonder what the point is (hence my problem holding down a steady job..I just cannot find the meaning in it).
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    1. what is Fi for you...how do you feel yourself using it...?

    Fi..... internalized feeling

    my escape, my place to ponder think and worry. my private personal space, for me and me alone and if and this is a big if, if I trust you I MIGHT allow you a glimpse into my Fi

    2. Do you externalize your Fi judgments and let others know what you think?

    as stated above rarely very very very rarely

    3. How much Fi vs Te do you use and do you feel it has shaped you differently?

    Fi dominates Te, my desire to keep my thoughts and my opinions to myself and be very tactful and diplomatic keeps all Te thoughts in check .... unless I am pissed off then it's a free for all for which a tone of guilt will follow ! And then it's all my fault even if it was someone else to blame I shall swallow all my pride and submit *sigh

    4. Do you find you have weird Fi values at times from others?

    um too consumed by my thoughts so really not sure....

    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?

    um not sure but mystics comment above.....um well.... I don't know a single ENFP that thinks they are better than everyone else.... but Mystic is more than likely being silly... um

    an infp though has an Fe and Ni so I am guessing yes just guessing that my Fi would be a lot more private

    6. Do you ever feel conflicted by Fi vs Te finding different paths?

    as stated above Fi trumps Te so no conflict from me just from others
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    1. what is Fi for you...how do you feel yourself using it...?
    Fi = values = identity. It is from where my true self is evaluated and re-evaluated constantly as it takes in new information.

    I feel myself using it when.....i feel myself using it. I physically react to what my Fi tells me.

    2. Do you externalize your Fi judgments and let others know what you think?
    all the time; It allows me to explore possibilities out loud and make concrete what is, on the inside, very fleeting and abstract.

    I have an opinion about most everything and because I wish to be seen primarily through my values. I also enjoy finding new information via discussions with other people; in order to exchange information i must seek out ways to externalize Fi, otherwise learning is done through a lot of reading...and i'm not good at that

    i externalize Fi a lot unless I am in a situation where I fear that i will be too severely judged for expressing such opinions (ex. my radical politics around my dad's Southern Baptist family from Louisiana/Alabama). I am down to discuss and disagree with people but i will not deal with yelling and ad hominems. I just shut down.

    3. How much Fi vs Te do you use and do you feel it has shaped you differently?
    i've found Te to be essential in my conversations. again, i externalize my Fi a LOT, and as an NFP with a pretty equally developed Fi and Ne, I must combine these with Te to "think out loud", explore ideas with others and have an enjoyable exchange of ideas. Even if my Fi is negative, Te keeps Fi from overflowing into an irrational tidal wave of emotion. It identifies and organizes the abstract; i find that when I allow a whirlwind of abstract Fi to take over, it's not pretty.

    How has it shaped me differently? it's turned me into a much better communicator/writer; Fi + Ne = wtf??? sometimes. It helps me organize and "catch" everything that is swimming around wildly in my head. sometimes people have a hard time following my train of thought because Fi can't filter out "important" information from "less important" information; to Fi it's all important. But without Te i do lose people.

    4. Do you find you have weird Fi values at times from others?
    yes; my political views are much more radical than those of others I know. I don't usually catch too much flak for it though, as people respect that i have strongly held values and that I'm willing to stand up for them and back them up with evidence. That and i don't enjoy personally attacking people and am willing to concede to a good point when I think i see it.

    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?
    ummm i guess I don't get nearly as defensive as I see strong INFPs getting; at least not in the prickly offended sense that I see. I don't lash out usually and I try really hard not to let Fi consume me. otherwise i don't see much difference; i don't even know if those things could be described as "INFP Fi"

    6. Do you ever feel conflicted by Fi vs Te finding different paths?
    Yes but i've accepted it as inevitability. Fi values constantly get re-evaluated and new information comes in and sometimes values conflict. That's just the way it is. It takes time but conflicting values can be reconciled, but only with a lot of thought and confronting Fi's urge to react negatively to being "inconsistent".
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    i suck at answering questions point by point...i'm sorry it feels restrictive or something so...ima free form it..

    the first thing that comes to mind is personal freedom and authenticity...a genuineness of feeling....it manifests in a similar way that ss described in her rant on jealousy...i feel no entitlement...have zero expectations and would never want something that wasn't mine to have...i don't want someone to behave any other way then exactly how they want...i'll have an opinion about it...i'll like it or not...but i won't judge you for it or be disappointed in you because you own the right to feel exactly as you feel...just as i do.

    hmm...what else....i guess i believe in respect and human decency and compassion and believe everyone has equal right to be treated well...i tend to decide how i feel about someone based on rather or not we share this view....i do tend to be so compassionate tho that even when we don't...i don't blame them for it...i realize other people have had different life experiences that shaped them a particular way...but it determines how close i'll likely feel to them.

    i'm bothered by how unstructured all that was but i'm super tired. i do use te...quite a lot i think...it doesn't seem like such an interesting story tho.
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    1. what is Fi for you...how do you feel yourself using it...?

    Fi is having very intense feelings about things. I usually know automatically if I like or dislike someone or something. I'm very passionate, and emotionally very focused. Some of my Fi values include loyalty, honesty, "being real," accepting that other people are going to live different ways and have different ideas, and standing up for what I believe in. I have no problem defending myself and believe in defending others. I believe that some people need to be confronted so they'll stop hurting other people, or stop exhibiting destructive - or sometimes "wrong" - behavior. My sense of right and wrong is open to question at times though. Ironically, my Fi tells me that Fi should not be allowed to get carried away with it's righteousness. That means stepping back from previous behavior and using other functions along with Fi for self-analysis, and seeing maybe situations where I should actually stop using such strong Fi judgement, take a different perspective, or change my usual way of being and let things go because confrontation won't solve anything. My Fi tells me that when Fi gets too wrapped up in its self (I'm right, I'm right, and that's it) is a sign that Fi is getting unhealthy or maybe just being immature and reactive.

    2. Do you externalize your Fi judgments and let others know what you think?

    A lot of the times, yes, but I don't feel like I'm being "inauthentic" if I choose to spare someone's feelings or realize that confrontation is pointless. Although being geniune is an Fi trait, I don't think it should be allowed to dominate my Fi to the point of excluding my other Fi values, like caring about other people's feelings.

    3. How much Fi vs Te do you use and do you feel it has shaped you differently?

    I use much more Fi than Te, which can make me come across as a pretty emo, sensitive, somewhat irrational, and stereotypical cryin' NFP. However, I think Te is necessary as a grounding function because Fi left to it's own devices without any balance seems pretty immature to me ... the rationality and logic of Te is necessary for lots of reasons. I'm not a huge fan of plans and schedules, etc. but Te serves my sense of logic, analysis, and gives me a solidarity and decisiveness that makes me seem less "fluffy" than some NFPs.

    4. Do you find you have weird Fi values at times from others?

    Only weird in that I'm very emotionally expressive where some Fi people are more withdrawn, and that I have an intense respect for for the earthiness of Si and Te to be used in balancing Fi...I don't think that being "right" or even helping people is necessarily always equal to "nice." I also appreciate Fe more than some Fi people, I think, which may be due to being raised by an Fe dom.

    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?

    I don't know.

    6. Do you ever feel conflicted by Fi vs Te finding different paths?

    Yes, in fact, I have to be careful at this point in my life with this particular issue, probably because I've developed Te as I've grown older. I have to balance my necessity for Te without betraying my Fi.

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    5. How does your Fi vary from INFP Fi?

    I don't know.
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