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    Man, why won't it let me edit posts today?

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    Maybe it's just a Pe thing then. Perhaps the conversation would work better if you started with an answer, and described the personal story that got you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    I feel the need to explain my thought processes (Ti) because they are precise and have shades of thought that I think will give you context for my question. You guys get bogged down in those details (Te) and would like a simplified, bullet style post to respond to. Conversely, you want to tell me stories about your own experience (Fi). I would prefer a simplification by addressing the direct question because I use a more extroverted function there (Fe).
    yes! this is it exactly..since I'm inclined to think that explaining my Fi will give you context for my answer I want to make sure I have some substance to back up an answer. Unfortunately it's sometimes difficult, for me at least, to translate my introverted functions into a concrete form. This might be why you don't always get a direct answer from a strong Fi user; since the Fi involved can be pretty complex, it's hard for me to simplify without feeling like I've left out something important to the process. Especially if there is a lot of Ti detail to address.

    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Maybe it's just a Pe thing then. Perhaps the conversation would work better if you started with an answer, and described the personal story that got you there.
    Perhaps; it would also be helpful, in this case, to format questions to Te instead of Ti if a more direct answer is what is desirable. The more points that are made, the more points I feel like I need to touch on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    Man, why won't it let me edit posts today?
    When I sat down at my computer this morning to finally respond to your questions from this weekend, I couldn't get on TypologyCentral.com.

    My first thought was, "That's just G-R-E-A-T.... I've pissed off someone in charge and now they've banned me. I'm leaving all kinds of bodies in my wake this week."



    Then upon reflection, I decided the servers must be down for unknown reasons. Sight's definitely been hinky all day.

    I've been on here so much in the past week that I felt lost this morning. I've woken up and gone to bed with Fidelia's, Z Buck McFate's, Satine's, Orobas', etc. posts for several days now. I missed you all very much this morning.

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    Everyone seems to be worried that they will inadvertently get banned! You do know that you have to do something pretty big (like spamming the forum with porn) or you get three strikes before you get a time out ban, right? (I know you were mostly just joking).

    Yeah, I was a little scared by how much I missed the forum when I couldn't log on this morning!

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    This has been an interesting exercise. I need to get much better at making Te style questions. That's important for other writing I am doing anyway. Any ideas at how a non-Te user can learn to develop that skill? Ni-Ti becomes really bad when I'm writing essays too. Ni rabbit trails and Ti doesn't want to leave anything out and has to find the perfect structure to accommodate it all. Then Ni comes up with more information that hadn't been considered and the whole thing just seems too big to do properly.

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    The site is really wonky today!

    This has been an interesting exercise. I need to get much better at making Te style questions. That's important for other writing I am doing anyway. Any ideas at how a non-Te user can learn to develop that skill? Ni-Ti becomes really bad when I'm writing essays too. Ni rabbit trails and Ti doesn't want to leave anything out and has to find the perfect structure to accommodate it all. Then Ni comes up with more information that hadn't been considered and the whole thing just seems too big to do properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    This has been an interesting exercise. I need to get much better at making Te style questions. That's important for other writing I am doing anyway. Any ideas at how a non-Te user can learn to develop that skill? Ni-Ti becomes really bad when I'm writing essays too. Ni rabbit trails and Ti doesn't want to leave anything out and has to find the perfect structure to accommodate it all. Then Ni comes up with more information that hadn't been considered and the whole thing just seems too big to do properly.
    I don't know if this will help or not, but I just talked about this with an INFP friend of mine the other week. Here's what I said to her:

    #1 - To use your Te to write, you've gotta pretend like you're writing a technical manual for a Samsung phone. You have no emotional investment in it... whatsoever.... which I know is not how you [INFP friend] approach your writing at all. Te writing is not about you. It's about whatever your writing about... and the you (Fi in this case) should not be seen or heard.
    #2 - Then, I make a bullet pointed list. (I can see Fidelia smiling in my minds eye right now as I write these words.) The bullets are the concrete goals that my writing has to accomplish.
    #3 - I write in the most direct and concise way possible to get to those bullet points.

    I don't know if that helps you or not, Fidelia. But that's how Te writing feels for me.
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    I agree in theory, but when I go to do it, I can't distill it down to that.

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    Well, this is just a hunch... but maybe this might help and tap into your Fe and Ni....

    Imagine that you have to [explain / communicate / instruct / sell to ] a loved one, but you can't let them know it's you that's [explaining / communicating / instructing / selling to]. What would you need to say to this person to get them to do what you want them to do?

    My thought behind this is that INFJs tend to make great counselors. And, the one's I know tend to be very wonderful advice givers to their friends. Perhaps if you could tap into these skills... and instead of making it a faceless / nameless goal, write toward helping a person you care about (but that you can't let them know you're doing the explaining). Maybe this will strike the right balance between your natural inclination to connect with people and the requirements of the task.

    Or perhaps if you tweaked the above scenario to where you were [explaining / communicating / instructing / selling to] a group of people. Maybe that would allow your Fe to take the driver's seat and tell your writing's target audience how it must be [done / understood / purchased.]
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