Thread: Common INFJ issues
08-02-2010, 04:00 PM #391
08-02-2010, 04:42 PM #392
You could lure them there by... well, telling them it's a secret evil laboratory.
08-04-2010, 06:44 AM #393
Common issue with me: feeling guilt when I say "no" to hanging out with people, because it means I am putting myself first. It's pretty annoying sometimes.Pick up your crazy heart and give it one more try.
08-04-2010, 06:01 PM #394
-Feeling guilty about INFJ withdrawal
-Not speaking up until things have built up so much that I withdraw/shut down/otherwise cannot speak up easily.
-Not wanting to see people, wanting social contact through writing (ahem!)
08-05-2010, 08:53 PM #395
Being an INFJ:
Almost 7 years ago I went to New Orleans and met some great people and we hung out for a few days together. We didn't keep in touch because our meetings were brief, but I have always thought about them and wondered if they were okay. So yesterday I looked them up on the internet, and found two of them, and they were okay. And they were happy and beautiful and I was so happy and I am even getting choked up writing about it. I am not going to say anything because it's been so long and I doubt they remember me and I wonder if I seem creepy, but I am so happy for them.
Today I read about a boy who went missing after he was dropped off at school early in the morning and his picture was taken by his science project at school right before, and they included the picture. I was in public so I didn't cry, but I wanted to really bad.
Sometimes when I see old people I almost start crying or I do because they remind me of my grandparents and I love my grandparents.
I don't know where else to put this.Pick up your crazy heart and give it one more try.
08-05-2010, 09:41 PM #396
I randomly thought of an old co-worker. Someone who had interviewed me actually, and then I lost contact with her after that. She had died, right around the moments I thought of her. Creepy, huh? But apparently this stuff is part of the usual INFJ descriptions.
08-06-2010, 09:26 AM #397
(Please comment on these thoughts and correct if they seem incorrect or I have misunderstood nuances....My goal is to leave them as a possible starting idea, a skeleton, one of many, that may be of value to INFJs, since the question was asked by Fidelia earlier in this thread....)
08-06-2010, 10:59 AM #398
Rather, I think of it as several parallel processes:
- Ni "just knows" something, in its own magical way (assume fairly mature Ni developed with real experience).
- Fe is the preference for Ni to develop towards understanding people rather than things. So that "just knowing" works really well with people, not so good with "things."
- Ti is the preference to be consistent and logically precise in one's definitions and facts, which, along with Fe, acknowledges that "no one really knows all of the truth." It will "color" the Fe-style descriptions, but it will not predominate. Compare with INTPs, where the logical precision dominates, but is occasionally "colored" by Fe sarcasm, for example.
In the ENFP case
- Ne "experiences" one or more abstract connections based on any of a number of real sensory inputs. This is done without thought.
- Fi is the preference to gravitate towards experiences that generate internal feelings. Logical self-consistency isn't required: each experience is its own thing valid in it's own way. Rather, the Ne experiences become the bases for self-understanding (Fi), as opposed to the INFJ pattern of Ni experiences becoming the basis for understanding of others (Fe).
- Te is the desire to make some sort of "sense" out of the very real chaos generated by Ne/Fi. It doesn't require self-consistency, but it does require that any sort of idea or process "works." It colors the Ne/Fi understandings in such a way as to be very "blunt" or "harsh".
Ne vs Ni is just a matter of focus. Both are attitudes that believe there is always "something more" than what is immediately observed.
Ni focuses on the internal workings of that which is observed, and becomes very knowledgeable of its processes, of how it works. When a similar thing is encountered (e.g., another human being), that knowledge is applied to be able to make predictions, to "magically know things."
Ne doesn't delve deeper within the object itself, but rather sees patterns repeated through many different things in the world. For instance, an Ne insight would be that if one is observing X here, there are all these other things that are "kind of like X" and thus this one observation here implies truths about all those other things to which X is abstractly connected. In the case of Ne with Ti, this would be the (quite true) observation that waves in water are like waves in light are like waves in springs are like waves in sound. We can use water wave behavior to understand light wave behavior, and so on. (There are nitpicky differences of course, but this is the Ne starting point.) NeFi does the same thing with feelings, people and other typically Fi concerns. In both the Ti and Fi cases, the Ne connections are applied to enhance personal understanding, not to "know" or "predict" as in the Ni case.
08-07-2010, 03:54 AM #399
i get the whole Ne understanding vs. Ni prediction thing now. because Ne is directed into an introverted process, while Ni is directed into an extraverted process. Ni delves in and follows the pattern out, while Ne senses the pattern from without and delves with it within.
and your example resonates well, it seems to me that theoretical physics is very much an NeFi concern too... you know, everything being connected, ultimate meaning, and all that
my point in this thread was just to post this wonderful quote that made me immediately think INFJ, and fortunately i think it seems fairly relevant given the discussion of iNtuition...
Originally Posted by William Blake
08-08-2010, 02:11 PM #400
I cannot really comment regarding the INFJ scenarios above...that for them to comment on.
As for the ENFP ideas, I figured Id get the heck out of the INFJ thread as I dont think they want us to keep talking about ourselves here
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